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[PcWorld] How does China respond to US chip threats? With a $30 billion factory

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The Chinese chip infrastructure is getting a serious boost from Tsinghua Unigroup, which is investing US$30 billion in a new foundry to make chips. The state-owned Tsinghua Holdings is a majority shareholder in Tsinghua Unigroup.
Sourcehttp://www.pcworld.com/article/3159718/techology-business/how-does-china-respond-to-us-chip-threats-with-a-30-billion-factory.html

Well this is actually good news, they got tired of the federal trade commission denying exports, a few years ago they denied and intel shipment that would have been probably billions in profits and instead amd got it.

But to say reducing chip costs is against the laws seems kinda stupid.
 
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LOL Oh gosh. There's price fixing and then there's this. Whichever posers told them they can't do this have another thing coming. I'm fairly certain something like this would be called a public service. I know it may be to just undermine US markets but they have that right. It's literally how business works under a regulated market. Next the government will try to dictate market prices... oh wait..... what's that called again?
 
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The article was all over the place in making a focused point. That said, it looks no more complicated than plain competition for consumers ca$h, on both sides. If the government is involved at all it's because our US lobbies are worried about their cash cow they've been milking for years, sorry Decades.

P.S. Also throw in some chips that might make it into markets with no US mandated back doors.
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They can keep their made in China drives , capacitors, and ICs...

There's a reason the USA has had a man on the moon in 1969 and China cannot even get a rover to stay alive for one month in the 21st century.
 
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

They can keep their made in China drives , capacitors, and ICs...

There's a reason the USA has had a man on the moon in 1969 and China cannot even get a rover to stay alive for one month in the 21st century.
*mumble* Soyuz *Mumble*

Chinese manufacturing is as good as how much you are willing to pay, really.
 
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

They can keep their made in China drives , capacitors, and ICs...

There's a reason the USA has had a man on the moon in 1969 and China cannot even get a rover to stay alive for one month in the 21st century.
because there are so many made-in-America drives, ICs and capacitors?
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The tough talk came from the administration of former President Barack Obama but will continue under Donald Trump, who was sworn in as president Friday.
Apparently Trump has changed his name and is now President Friday too!

Yeah, I think the problem is that the US cries foul if anyone threatens them in anything, China is being China and the US is getting competition. Not really big news in that department, we can all do with cheaper quality items though. 'Quality' being the operative word when paired with 'Cheap'
 
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Originally Posted by DVLux View Post

because there are so many made-in-America drives, ICs and capacitors?
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Lmao this.

The only company I purchase components from that are made in the US is Coilcraft - and that's because they often have excellent products for cheaper than Murata - otherwise I'd buy Murata.

And Microchip to a lesser extent - although I'm not sure Microchip make their ULP PICs in the US.
 
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The US is about to see some major policy changes, including tax incentives for businesses willing to open factories in the US. Not surprising, since the country has been losing a trade war with China for decades (certain past presidents refused to even entertain the concept). China exceeds the US in exports and GDP; what does the US even make anymore? Its worth noting that Foxconn and Apple have agreed to make their products in the US and open factories there, lest their products become subject to tariffs.

Speaking of Foxconn: they're considering setting up another plant in the US. $7 billion factory + a $50 billion investment.
 
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So we will have more chip manufacturers in china, more factories in the US, prices will be more competitive and development for each factory to get ahead of the other (and hopefully just not copy each other) will drive technology forward.
What is wrong with that?
In my opinion they can throw 30, 60, 10000 billions into the mix. Maybe instead of 20 years, it will only take 5 to get the next technology jump forward we have been waiting for.
 
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Originally Posted by Defoler View Post

So we will have more chip manufacturers in china, more factories in the US, prices will be more competitive and development for each factory to get ahead of the other (and hopefully just not copy each other) will drive technology forward.
What is wrong with that?
In my opinion they can throw 30, 60, 10000 billions into the mix. Maybe instead of 20 years, it will only take 5 to get the next technology jump forward we have been waiting for.
This. I'm not sure why people would be against competition, aside from paranoid doomsayers with personal agendas.
 
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I for one welcome our new chip overlords.
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I wonder if they will actually pay for X86/X64 licensing?
 
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

They can keep their made in China drives , capacitors, and ICs...

There's a reason the USA has had a man on the moon in 1969 and China cannot even get a rover to stay alive for one month in the 21st century.
most ignorant comment on ocn so far lol
 
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Originally Posted by kckyle View Post

most ignorant comment on ocn so far lol
He probably bought Chinese stuff thinking the specsheet and actual product would match. If you pay little money the Chinese will generally give you garbage because you were being cheap.
China is the biggest in your face "you get what you pay for" country on the planet. The sweet spot is for medium value products.
I have bought many things that were a blast but I have also bought things that didn't meet specifications, didn't work, were incomplete or were flat out dangerous.
If you get yourself something that is usually expensive and you payed very little expect there to be missing/broken parts and expect no quality control. (though they will obviously put QC OK stickers everywhere)

Some of the things that I was able to get a truely good deal on were mechanical keyboard, benchtop power supplies, tablet, arduino clones, stepper motors, leadscrews. I also have the worlds cheapest 3d printer on the way but since I basically payed too little I expect it to require some work.
So yes you can order from China, just don't expect to sit on the front row for half a yuan.
 
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

...Some of the things that I was able to get a truely good deal on were mechanical keyboard, benchtop power supplies, tablet, arduino clones, stepper motors, leadscrews. I also have the worlds cheapest 3d printer on the way but since I basically payed too little I expect it to require some work.
So yes you can order from China, just don't expect to sit on the front row for half a yuan.
Post your results.
 
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Originally Posted by Hueristic View Post

Post your results.
There is actually someone who already has one and for the price it apparently is pretty good. (A few missing parts and some minor design flaws here and there)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Gxx8frnhM

Just hope they didn't made the review version better than what most people will get but I'll see.
 
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FYI I'm just bored ranting at work waiting for my shift to end lol:

I hate China stuff too but do you really think the ghetto dude from Detriot that demands welfare, medcaid, pensions, 30 days paid vacation, yearly raises, is really going to make anything better than the Chinese teen that's just thankful to have a job and can buy a few ounces of rice for their family? Price always wins and I can 100% see why jobs and products are no longer in the US. Nobody cares that all the stuff from Walmart is complete crap as long as it's cheap. American has proven its greed and I am one of those people. 99% of the population isn't going to pay more for something just because it's made in American. We've already proven that with the point we've gotten into this modern age.
 
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

There is actually someone who already has one and for the price it apparently is pretty good. (A few missing parts and some minor design flaws here and there)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Gxx8frnhM

Just hope they didn't made the review version better than what most people will get but I'll see.
started watching but my Pats are playing so I'll finish l8r.
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#21 ·
Good for them.

Now they need to stop ripping off the west's technological intellectual property.
 
#22 ·
I will wait until said plants are put up and people are actually working in them before passing judgement.
 
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Originally Posted by Seyumi View Post

FYI I'm just bored ranting at work waiting for my shift to end lol:

I hate China stuff too but do you really think the ghetto dude from Detriot that demands welfare, medcaid, pensions, 30 days paid vacation, yearly raises, is really going to make anything better than the Chinese teen that's just thankful to have a job and can buy a few ounces of rice for their family? Price always wins and I can 100% see why jobs and products are no longer in the US. Nobody cares that all the stuff from Walmart is complete crap as long as it's cheap. American has proven its greed and I am one of those people. 99% of the population isn't going to pay more for something just because it's made in American. We've already proven that with the point we've gotten into this modern age.
No new manufacturing plants are going to be built in the ghetto. Lots of other more pleasant places available. People you can train too. Chinese teen is going to do whatever his commie bosses tell him. Or he might have an accident. Jobs and products no longer made in US started with NAFTA (Clinton). We used to have blue collar jobs here that allowed parents to put multiple children through college. Not so much anymore. Guaranteed govt. student loans have priced college out of reach for it's value to the student. Not to mention the obvious psychosis of many professors and college staff and students. 99% of the population will pay for something made in America when it is cheaper than importing it.
 
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

Good for them.

Now they need to stop ripping off the west's technological intellectual property.
Yep, I used to work security at Dow Agra world head quarters in Indiana, and a Chinese employee stole tons of RND on USB drives and fled the country back to China with it all. Happens all the time in America, other countries are bleeding us dry and laughing in our face.
 
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In 1993, we exported $41 billion worth of goods and services to Mexico. Last year, that number was around $236 billion in goods and services.
 
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Originally Posted by lombardsoup View Post

The US is about to see some major policy changes, including tax incentives for businesses willing to open factories in the US. Not surprising, since the country has been losing a trade war with China for decades (certain past presidents refused to even entertain the concept). China exceeds the US in exports and GDP; what does the US even make anymore? Its worth noting that Foxconn and Apple have agreed to make their products in the US and open factories there, lest their products become subject to tariffs.

Speaking of Foxconn: they're considering setting up another plant in the US. $7 billion factory + a $50 billion investment.
Impressive if the U.S. GDP wasn't 7 trillion (with a "T") higher than China in GDP. How do you think the U.S. affords to buy all those Chinese goods?
 
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