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If there is enough DRAM, DRAM training may only find two sticks operating at their standard timing and may proceed with a reduced amount and put the rest into an unavailable pool. A possible fix is to reseat the DRAM.

As pointed out by someone on the C6H OC thread, the Ryzen has an extremely complicated training approach to setting DRAM timing. It can easily (in my view following the OC thread) become confused. And there exists an AMD spec on different RAM sizes and what their default frequency of operation is. You may be there already. Everything past that is an OC condition. To get beyond that threshold you may have to set the timing manually to be very loose. If it works, then try raising the frequency, then try tightening the timing, etc. Also both DRAM voltage and DRAM boot voltage should be around 1.35V for higher frequency work. More on the OC thread.
     
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If there is enough DRAM, DRAM training may only find two sticks operating at their standard timing and may proceed with a reduced amount and put the rest into an unavailable pool. A possible fix is to reseat the DRAM.

As pointed out by someone on the C6H OC thread, the Ryzen has an extremely complicated training approach to setting DRAM timing. It can easily (in my view following the OC thread) become confused. And there exists an AMD spec on different RAM sizes and what their default frequency of operation is. You may be there already. Everything past that is an OC condition. To get beyond that threshold you may have to set the timing manually to be very loose. If it works, then try raising the frequency, then try tightening the timing, etc. Also both DRAM voltage and DRAM boot voltage should be around 1.35V for higher frequency work. More on the OC thread.

My cpu cooler doesn't allow me to remove a1 and a2 ram. So I removed b1 and b2. Windows saw 16 gb of ram that was usable. Memtest showed after 7 hours no errors and I could run both rams at 2667mhz cl15.

I placed 1 ram back in b1 and Windows could use 24gb. I replaced the same ram in b2 and Windows still could use 24 gb. It also runned at 2667 mhz and dual channel mode was activated for the first time in bios. After I placed the other stick in my motherboard and the problems started again. Also after removing the good ram that was in 1 of the B slots my Pc was stuck at 1866 mhz and Windows only showed 16gb of ram and 8 gb was unavailable.

So it seems 1 my ram sticks is malfunctioning. I also had read that it could be caused by a broken cpu pin but this seems highly unlikely since 1 of the rams is causing problems.
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Originally Posted by Tyrael View Post

I am using the newest Bios 2.00. With 4 Modules it doesnt even run on the lowest frequencies. Like I said before enabling XMP Profiles let it always reboot, regardless of the used profile.
With 2 Modules I run them at 2492 Mhz


I will read thr asus ch6 overclocking thread maybe I find there a hint.
Thabk you guys for your hints.

You checked each stick with each slot to see if one of the sticks or slots are defective? do it in pairs to start with or just remove one stick at a time until it POST's.

It's not uncommon to have a bad stick, I had to RMA the vengeance kit in my raven when I got them as one of the sticks had a bad block (always the one section of addresses that would have an error), a bad block in the right place can cause POST to always fail.

If one or more of the slots isn't working however then try re-seating the CPU, otherwise you may have a defective board or CPU (pretty rare, but does occur from time to time).
   
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Originally Posted by kaseki View Post

If there is enough DRAM, DRAM training may only find two sticks operating at their standard timing and may proceed with a reduced amount and put the rest into an unavailable pool. A possible fix is to reseat the DRAM.

As pointed out by someone on the C6H OC thread, the Ryzen has an extremely complicated training approach to setting DRAM timing. It can easily (in my view following the OC thread) become confused. And there exists an AMD spec on different RAM sizes and what their default frequency of operation is. You may be there already. Everything past that is an OC condition. To get beyond that threshold you may have to set the timing manually to be very loose. If it works, then try raising the frequency, then try tightening the timing, etc. Also both DRAM voltage and DRAM boot voltage should be around 1.35V for higher frequency work. More on the OC thread.

My cpu cooler doesn't allow me to remove a1 and a2 ram. So I removed b1 and b2. Windows saw 16 gb of ram that was usable. Memtest showed after 7 hours no errors and I could run both rams at 2667mhz cl15.

I placed 1 ram back in b1 and Windows could use 24gb. I replaced the same ram in b2 and Windows still could use 24 gb. It also runned at 2667 mhz and dual channel mode was activated for the first time in bios. After I placed the other stick in my motherboard and the problems started again. Also after removing the good ram that was in 1 of the B slots my Pc was stuck at 1866 mhz and Windows only showed 16gb of ram and 8 gb was unavailable.

So it seems 1 my ram sticks is malfunctioning. I also had read that it could be caused by a broken cpu pin but this seems highly unlikely since 1 of the rams is causing problems.

Besides the bad stick, normal operation calls for a pair of sticks in A1/B1 or A2/B2, not A1/A2 or B1/B2. See page 1-5 of Asus C6H User Guide, if you are using this MB.
     
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Besides the bad stick, normal operation calls for a pair of sticks in A1/B1 or A2/B2, not A1/A2 or B1/B2. See page 1-5 of Asus C6H User Guide, if you are using this MB.

Yes i got the taichi but it has the same principle. I did it for testing since i can't remove A1, A2 without removing my cpu cooler. In the end it seems 1 of my ram sticks is not working well. After removing it, i can run my pc with 24 gb on 2667 mhz CL16

I also removed my cpu cooler and checked all pins and they were fine. So i asked amazon for a replacement,
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I disagree. An AM3+ Wraith cooler would be great for a 65 watt R5 1600. I have a NH-D15, Phanteks TC14PE, NH-U14S, Thermalright True Spirit 140 among others. I am done with huge, ugly cpu coolers. I am not going to even bother trying to get new AM4 mounting gear.

The Deepcool Gammax 400 uses the stock AMD mounting system with clips. As far as I know so does the Wraith. Click the link and scroll down the page to see how it mounts. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856005

Perhaps someone who has the Wraith can clarify.
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The Deepcool Gammax 400 uses the stock AMD mounting system with clips. As far as I know so does the Wraith. Click the link and scroll down the page to see how it mounts. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856005

Perhaps someone who has the Wraith can clarify.

There are 3 versions of wraith cooler. 2 do not clip in but instead are screwed into the motherboard's existing backplate after the clip mountings are removed.
The third uses the latches.
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So, which one comes with which cpu? Or are they all mixed up and the only way to know is to open the box?

Wait, if the motherboard comes with the clip mounts then won't any cooler that uses them work?
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So, which one comes with which cpu? Or are they all mixed up and the only way to know is to open the box?

Wait, if the motherboard comes with the clip mounts then won't any cooler that uses them work?

I believe the R5 1400's included wraith stealth is the only one that uses the clips.

"Most" clip mounted coolers seem to work but there was an exception or two.

The Wraiths are a cut above the old stock coolers in terms of cooling. And significantly quieter.
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