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Yeah I booted up at 2933 no problem with my LPX 3200 hynix ram. Not worth the extra $$$ to hit 3200 as opposed to waiting a month.


Who says you will be running at 3200 in a month? AMD issued no announcement guaranteeing 3200 for everyone with cheap memory. They only said they would improve memory speed limits. You have already gotten a bump upward. Don't count your chicks before the eggs are hatched.
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Who says you will be running at 3200 in a month? AMD issued no announcement guaranteeing 3200 for everyone with cheap memory. They only said they would improve memory speed limits. You have already gotten a bump upward. Don't count your chicks before the eggs are hatched.

Yes well, sadly that extra money you spent on a price inflated set of Samsung b-die sticks was just early adopter fee. You are high if you think that the AM4 platform will sit stagnant while memory kits run at their advertised speeds only on Intel platforms. It will be updated, it's just a question of when.
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Yes well, sadly that extra money you spent on a price inflated set of Samsung b-die sticks was just early adopter fee. You are high if you think that the AM4 platform will sit stagnant while memory kits run at their advertised speeds only on Intel platforms. It will be updated, it's just a question of when.
That's true. This is why I am holding off till the end of may to see what the bios updates would bring to people with cheaper memory. I mean at least in my country b-die kit is almost as the C6H...
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Yes well, sadly that extra money you spent on a price inflated set of Samsung b-die sticks was just early adopter fee. You are high if you think that the AM4 platform will sit stagnant while memory kits run at their advertised speeds only on Intel platforms. It will be updated, it's just a question of when.

Ram prices were already going up for reasons that had little to do with ryzen. Demands going up with new product from Intel expected within 3 months? And manufacturing not increased yet? Could get higher pricing . Even for "cheap" ram.
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Put it in a simpler way, with Intel pushing the MHz numbers supported with their new CPUs, it's no non-sense why Samsung B-Dies cost higher and higher. Them being the most reliable ICs for high memory clocks, doesn't need much thought for high enthusiast demand. thumb.gif
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Ram prices were already going up for reasons that had little to do with ryzen. Demands going up with new product from Intel expected within 3 months? And manufacturing not increased yet? Could get higher pricing . Even for "cheap" ram.

Ddr4 had been on the market for a long time before ryzen released, prices had somewhat stabilized. I figured with AMD moving to ddr4 that the prices would start going up, so i went out and bought a 16gb kit 2 weeks before ryzen even launched. I paid $160cad, that same kit is $192 now... and that isn't even Samsung b-die. The cheapest Samsung b-die 16gb kit right now is $240, and in February that same kit was below $200. Hell, the flare kit is $260 lol. That is straight up gouging, and there is no doubt in my mind a big part of it is ryzen.
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Hi. I'm quite confused with all the ddr/overclocking mess happening right now and would need some advice.

I have a 1600 on the way and am looking for a motherboard satisfying following conditions:

-Overclock the 1600 to 3.9-4 Ghz
-Supports ram to 2666 in the future.

My build would be

1600
Rx 580 8gb
2*8 gigs ddr4

I was set on the B350 Tomahawk, but it got up in price and got some competition.

So now my options are:

ASUS Prime B350-PLUS (Cheapest 140$ CAD)
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK (155$ CAD)
MSI X370 SLI Plus (190$ CAD)
ASRock X370 Killer SLI (185$ CAD)
ASRock FATAL1TY X370 Gaming K4 (200 CAD)

Would the X370 premium be worth anything in my case? I heard good things on the ASUS Prime, is Tomahawk still superior.

Also should I buy a 3200 ram kit or just set on the 2666?

Thank you
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Hi. I'm quite confused with all the ddr/overclocking mess happening right now and would need some advice.

I have a 1600 on the way and am looking for a motherboard satisfying following conditions:

-Overclock the 1600 to 3.9-4 Ghz
-Supports ram to 2666 in the future.

My build would be

1600
Rx 580 8gb
2*8 gigs ddr4

I was set on the B350 Tomahawk, but it got up in price and got some competition.

So now my options are:

ASUS Prime B350-PLUS (Cheapest 140$ CAD)
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK (155$ CAD)
MSI X370 SLI Plus (190$ CAD)
ASRock X370 Killer SLI (185$ CAD)
ASRock FATAL1TY X370 Gaming K4 (200 CAD)

Would the X370 premium be worth anything in my case? I heard good things on the ASUS Prime, is Tomahawk still superior.

Also should I buy a 3200 ram kit or just set on the 2666?

Thank you

I'm quite happy with the AsRock X370 sli. It was only 30 bucks more expensive then the b350 board, and it supports p-state overclocking and runs Hynix Corsair 3200 ram (inexpensive hynix) at 2933 right off the hop with the latest BIOS. I was able to get a stable 3.925 OC without too much voltage with my ryzen 1600 - and so far it's worked superbly.
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Hi. I'm quite confused with all the ddr/overclocking mess happening right now and would need some advice.

I have a 1600 on the way and am looking for a motherboard satisfying following conditions:

-Overclock the 1600 to 3.9-4 Ghz
-Supports ram to 2666 in the future.

My build would be

1600
Rx 580 8gb
2*8 gigs ddr4

I was set on the B350 Tomahawk, but it got up in price and got some competition.

So now my options are:

ASUS Prime B350-PLUS (Cheapest 140$ CAD)
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK (155$ CAD)
MSI X370 SLI Plus (190$ CAD)
ASRock X370 Killer SLI (185$ CAD)
ASRock FATAL1TY X370 Gaming K4 (200 CAD)

Would the X370 premium be worth anything in my case? I heard good things on the ASUS Prime, is Tomahawk still superior.

Also should I buy a 3200 ram kit or just set on the 2666?

Thank you
The B350 boards are all not great pretty much. The B350 Pro carbon does a pretty good job (VRM,USB 3.1 gen2,ALC1220 audio with shielding,LAN) but its price is more or less the price of an Asrock X370 K4.

Some pluses and minuses of the boards you listed off the top of my head:
  • Asus B350 Prime PLUS : heatsinks on VRM , VRM uses Onsemi parts, has USB 3.1 Gen2, worst audio among B350 boards in the ALC 887, NVme slot not in idiotic spot, unrefined BIOs , memory support is iffy with more than DDR 2400 , check QVL
  • MSI B350 Tomahawk = heatsinks on VRM and lowside mosfet bit less lossy compared to ASUS/Gigabyte/Asrock B350 boards with high side having higher switching loss vs the ASUS/Gigabyte B350 boards, comes in white "arctic version", audio is ALC892 which is alright, no USB 3.1 gen 2 , decent memory support, BIOS has clock adjustment for baseclock
  • MSI X370 SLI PLUS = same VRM parts as B350 Tomahawk but instead of 1 mosfet per high side it uses two (not truly proper), capacitors cheapened out in the lifetime rating vs Krait gaming / Pro carbon/Tomahawk, unshielded audio ALC892 which is poor for X370 , no USB 3.1 Gen2
  • Asrock X370 Killer SLI = audio ALC892, VRM is gambling since you may get Sinopower or maybe random unnamed mosfets on high side mosfet (same VRM setup as X370 SLI plus but with superior PWM controller and a gamble on mosfets), NVMe is not in idiotic spot, audio ALC892, wireless slot, p-state OC, Intel LAN , no USB 3.1 gen2 ... default budget board for all cyberpowerPC x370 Ryzen 7 builds
  • Asrock X370 K4 = same randomness on VRM so check under heatsink for sinopower, NVme is not in idiotic spot, ALC 1220 audio with proper shielding , wireless slot, p-state OC, Intel LAN, debugging features such as debug LED
  • If you're looking up to $200CAD ASUS X370 Prime Pro uses top tier VRM parts, ALC1220 audio (although no EMI shield), p-state OC just launched (in OS only), Intel LAN, USB 3.1 gen 2. It's another option to look at.


MSI B350 Tomahawk is better than the ASUS B350 Prime PLUS in audio. VRM power delivery is more or less the same but Tomahawk has more BIOS refinement (plus more memory support) because ASUS could care less about the B350 boards it seems. Tomahawk is worth the money over the ASUS B350 Prime Plus unless you need USB 3.1 gen 2 and/or cook your NVMe SSD easily.

If you get any Asrock board other than the Taichi/Fatal1ty Pro you might get mosfets that have no specsheets anywhere to be found or you might get Sinopower SM4336+SM4337 (not great but better than unnamed)
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The B350 boards are all not great pretty much. The B350 Pro carbon does a pretty good job (VRM,USB 3.1 gen2,ALC1220 audio with shielding,LAN) but its price is more or less the price of an Asrock X370 K4.

Some pluses and minuses of the boards you listed off the top of my head:
  • Asus B350 Prime PLUS : heatsinks on VRM , VRM uses Onsemi parts, has USB 3.1 Gen2, worst audio among B350 boards in the ALC 887, NVme slot not in idiotic spot, unrefined BIOs , memory support is iffy with more than DDR 2400 , check QVL
  • MSI B350 Tomahawk = heatsinks on VRM and lowside mosfet bit less lossy compared to ASUS/Gigabyte/Asrock B350 boards with high side having higher switching loss vs the ASUS/Gigabyte B350 boards, comes in white "arctic version", audio is ALC892 which is alright, no USB 3.1 gen 2 , decent memory support, BIOS has clock adjustment for baseclock
  • MSI X370 SLI PLUS = same VRM parts as B350 Tomahawk but instead of 1 mosfet per high side it uses two (not truly proper), capacitors cheapened out in the lifetime rating vs Krait gaming / Pro carbon/Tomahawk, unshielded audio ALC892 which is poor for X370 , no USB 3.1 Gen2
  • Asrock X370 Killer SLI = audio ALC892, VRM is gambling since you may get Sinopower or maybe random unnamed mosfets on high side mosfet (same VRM setup as X370 SLI plus but with superior PWM controller and a gamble on mosfets), NVMe is not in idiotic spot, audio ALC892, wireless slot, p-state OC, Intel LAN , no USB 3.1 gen2 ... default budget board for all cyberpowerPC x370 Ryzen 7 builds
  • Asrock X370 K4 = same randomness on VRM so check under heatsink for sinopower, NVme is not in idiotic spot, ALC 1220 audio with proper shielding , wireless slot, p-state OC, Intel LAN, debugging features such as debug LED
  • If you're looking up to $200CAD ASUS X370 Prime Pro uses top tier VRM parts, ALC1220 audio (although no EMI shield), p-state OC just launched (in OS only), Intel LAN, USB 3.1 gen 2. It's another option to look at.


MSI B350 Tomahawk is better than the ASUS B350 Prime PLUS in audio. VRM power delivery is more or less the same but Tomahawk has more BIOS refinement (plus more memory support) because ASUS could care less about the B350 boards it seems. Tomahawk is worth the money over the ASUS B350 Prime Plus unless you need USB 3.1 gen 2 and/or cook your NVMe SSD easily.

If you get any Asrock board other than the Taichi/Fatal1ty Pro you might get mosfets that have no specsheets anywhere to be found or you might get Sinopower SM4336+SM4337 (not great but better than unnamed)

AUDIO Is less of an issue, since I have a dedicated sound card. I was looking at the ASUS pro before, but the cheapest they go is 225$ (The Msi X370 Gaming Pro Carbon would be just 10$ more). Since you mentioned x370 Krait gaming, how does it compare vs X370 K4? I can get it at the same 200$

Thanks
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