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[Zerohedge] ***ushima Aborts Latest Robot Mission Inside Reactor, Radiation At "Unimaginable" Levels

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The "scorpion" robot, so-called because it can lift up its camera-mounted tail to achieve better viewing angles, is also designed to crawl over rubble inside the damaged facility.

But it could not reach its target destination beneath a pressure vessel through which nuclear fuel is believed to have melted because the robot had difficulty moving, a company spokeswoman said.

"It's not immediately clear if that's because of radiation or obstacles," she said, adding that TEPCO is checking what data the robot was able to obtain, including images.
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The radiation level in the containment vessel of reactor 2 at the crippled ***ushima No. 1 power plant has reached a maximum of 530 sieverts per hour, the highest since the triple core meltdown in March 2011, Tokyo Electric Power Co. Holdings Inc. said.

Tepco said on Thursday that the blazing radiation reading was taken near the entrance to the space just below the pressure vessel, which contains the reactor core.

The high figure indicates that some of the melted fuel that escaped the pressure vessel is nearby.
It is hard to find the words to convey how serious this is.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-19/***ushima-aborts-latest-robot-mission-inside-reactor-radiation-unimaginable-levels
 
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The world needs to be helping Japan get this under control.
 
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But they won't unless radiation reaches the west coast of the US in sufficiently worrying levels.

Why? I don't know.

Aside from stating silly facts, I agree completely. Japan already have their hands full, to on top of that be dealing with this on their own.
 
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

But they won't unless radiation reaches the west coast of the US in sufficiently worrying levels.

Why? I don't know.

Aside from stating silly facts, I agree completely. Japan already have their hands full, to on top of that be dealing with this on their own.
"It's your problem, not ours" which is why they won't help.
 
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If you think the world should help I'm sure there's some sort of charity you can donate to, but stop expecting the govt to steal other peoples money to spend in foreign lands.

Thinking about it though, how exactly is the world supposed to help japan get this under control? The situation is contained, the emergency is over, and japan is a full fledged first world country with the resources to deal with it themselves. I doubt if more money would change the situation, and japan has all the technical know how the rest of the world has.
 
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Japan is on their own.

Hell I would encourage the world charging them money for polluting the ocean after they had radiation water release all these years.

So how many here still think nuclear is completely safe?
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Originally Posted by Smanci View Post

While I don't doubt the radiation levels measured inside the reactor, a sensationalist opinion post that is built around advertising a prepping book isn't newsworthy.
I'm not usually one for conspiracies, but the stuff about ***ushima I've seen on YT and read around the net is legitimately horrifying.. I'm not even comfortable repeating a lot of the stuff here. The sentiments are from well respected nuclear physicists, too, it's not just fear mongering, nor is the damage that has been done to the Pacific.

All the damage and disaster aside, what geniuses had the brilliant idea of building nuclear reactors over fault lines, and that their last safety measure is emergency draining into the pacific??

Like Michio Kaku said, Japan should send in the military and take control away from these knuckleheads.. It took like 600 000 troops to get control of Chernobyl, and that was bad enough.. From what I understand, ***ishima is far worse..
 
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Originally Posted by Clocknut View Post

Japan is on their own.

Hell I would encourage the world charging them money for polluting the ocean after they had radiation water release all these years.

So how many here still think nuclear is completely safe?
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Human error, double disaster scenario and a horribly outdated LWR. So no in this case it wasn't completely safe but nuclear is generally very safe.
 
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I mean... this is an issue but it's also quite fascinating. I sure hope it gets resolved in a timely manner and I'm sure they can handle this, they've handled everything else just fine. However, there's a lot of research that can be obtained from this incident. Whether regarding radioactive waste cleanup, or just nuclear research in general.

Also, gosh darnnit Gojira and your little friends.
 
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Since there was never an initial measurement, this new one is just a new data point. If they go back and measure it again, and it increases, sure, worry. From what I've read, this is simply the radiation near the fuel rods. Meanwhile around the site, levels have been decreasing since the event.

Concern is warranted when we have a true indication of whether or not the levels are increasing.
 
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When people start having a third nipple, more help will be given to Japan to get this sorted. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, keep polluting the ocean with radioactive material
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Originally Posted by JoeSamo86 View Post

Does solar and wind energy just not generate enough electricity in X amount of space to make people defer from using nuclear energy or something? Just seems like every single plant is an accident waiting to happen or a storm/earthquake away from bad things.
They both* have very specific location requirements, need large amounts of space, have their own unique environmental detriments, and produce comparably less power.

*for solar I'm talking about plants. Converting existing structures to making solar (roofs, roads, etc) has less impact but also produces less.
 
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Originally Posted by JoeSamo86 View Post

Does solar and wind energy just not generate enough electricity in X amount of space to make people defer from using nuclear energy or something? Just seems like every single plant is an accident waiting to happen or a storm/earthquake away from bad things.
Wind is loud and unreliable and solar isn't really efficient. Both will also take up significantly more space than a nuclear power plant.

Nuclear is also one of safest options as of right now. As of 2015, there are 479 nuclear power stations in the world and only 25 incidents world wide in the last 17 years with pretty much all of them being minor incidents. It's only really ***ushima that was bad. From 2006-2011, there were over 1500 incidents involving wind power in the UK alone that caused 4 deaths and over 300 injuries to workers.
 
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Originally Posted by the9quad View Post

The world is helping and has been since day one.
Also here is an article with real info and not click bait

http://ansnuclearcafe.org/2017/02/07/radiation-levels-not-soaring-at-***ushima-daiichi/#sthash.sZN01tta.dpbs
In this situation there are conflicting reports. We have the Japanese government claiming radiation levels are safe, while residents are panicking over having to return to potentially contaminated homes. Please take the source I posted with a very large grain of salt however, as it cites Greenpeace as part of its collection of evidence (which isn't exactly known for entertaining opinions outside of its worldview).
 
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Originally Posted by GorillaSceptre View Post

I'm not usually one for conspiracies, but the stuff about ***ushima I've seen on YT and read around the net is legitimately horrifying.. I'm not even comfortable repeating a lot of the stuff here. The sentiments are from well respected nuclear physicists, too, it's not just fear mongering, nor is the damage that has been done to the Pacific.

All the damage and disaster aside, what geniuses had the brilliant idea of building nuclear reactors over fault lines, and that their last safety measure is emergency draining into the pacific??

Like Michio Kaku said, Japan should send in the military and take control away from these knuckleheads.. It took like 600 000 troops to get control of Chernobyl, and that was bad enough.. From what I understand, ***ishima is far worse..
Of course it's worrying thing. Not trying to downplay the significance of it but there's a huge load of absolute BS, ignorance and exaggeration going on that leads to a great amount of the health effects associated with the disaster. The quantity of fallout and contamination and health effects to people and environment that has resulted from ***ushima accident is estimated to be only a fraction of that of 1986.

When there's an elevated, let's say by 20 times, level of Cs-134 or something found in fish living in the coasts of California, people freak out thanks to some Youtube moneymaker. It's ignored that there's potassium and polonium naturally occuring in those fishes that naturally results in thousands of times higher dose than what the elevated level of Cs-134 accounts for. On top of that the Cs-134 is expelled from your body after consumption. You're going to be swimming and eating fish for hunderds of years before you'll receive a dose comparable to a dental x-ray. Might just as well tell people to stop eating banana daily as it will kill you thanks to elevating the daily radiation dose by a percent.

Although being a theoretical physicist, Michio Kaku is a strong opponent of anything nuclear so I'd take that with a grain of salt. Known for opposing the use of RTGs in interplanetary spacecraft without providing any actual proof.
 
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Originally Posted by lombardsoup View Post

In this situation there are conflicting reports. We have the Japanese government claiming radiation levels are safe, while residents are panicking over having to return to potentially contaminated homes. Please take the source I posted with a very large grain of salt however, as it cites Greenpeace as part of its collection of evidence (which isn't exactly known for entertaining opinions outside of its worldview).
Sheep panic, its what they do. Just get them some tinfoil and they'll be fine.
 
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Originally Posted by ryan92084 View Post

They both* have very specific location requirements, need large amounts of space, have their own unique environmental detriments, and produce comparably less power.

*for solar I'm talking about plants. Converting existing structures to making solar (roofs, roads, etc) has less impact but also produces less.
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Originally Posted by andrews2547 View Post

Wind is loud and unreliable and solar isn't really efficient. Both will also take up significantly more space than a nuclear power plant.

Nuclear is also one of safest options as of right now. As of 2015, there are 479 nuclear power stations in the world and only 25 incidents world wide in the last 17 years with pretty much all of them being minor incidents. It's only really ***ushima that was bad. From 2006-2011, there were over 1500 incidents involving wind power in the UK alone that caused 4 deaths and over 300 injuries to workers.
Thank you both for the great info. Though I have to say being loud inst a problem to me compared to a possibility of a nuclear accident.
 
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Originally Posted by Clocknut View Post

Japan is on their own.

Hell I would encourage the world charging them money for polluting the ocean after they had radiation water release all these years.

So how many here still think nuclear is completely safe?
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There's a difference between completely safe, and safe enough.

Keep in mind, ***ushima was a 40-year-old plant. The reactor design and safety systems are just as old, if not older. We've come a long way, for example fuel that can't melt down. It's been done, demonstrated, and I personally have witnessed it. I went to a test reactor at my university, where they had the control rods on pneumatic pistons and could pull them up very quickly. As you might expect, the reaction spikes (with a rather neat blue flash from Cherenkov radiation), but then self-regulates back down as the fuel itself starts to dampen the reaction rate.

You still will need cooling with such a system to make it work properly, but the fuel itself simply cannot melt down. An incident like ***ushima isn't possible in this type of reactor design, even if all cooling systems are destroyed.
 
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I wonder how many other reactor RPVs you couldn't survive being in due to radiation? Answer: all of them. This article is about the most ill informed stupid thing I have seen. Read another one that said you can't even go in the reactor building due to rad levels...(because TEPCO is lying).clearly not looking at the picture of five people standing in the reactor building getting the robot ready to go in one of the penetrations. That was the "expert" whistle blower who apparently doesn't know what a BWR 4 reactor building looks like. Or PBS and their article on it being sooooo many times more water released than three mile island, maybe because that didn't release jack. Or realizing that actually the issue isn't water that has reached the ocean, but rather the issue is they are actually stopping it and storing it, but they have a metric butt ton to process.

Here is an idea, maybe take off your tin foil hat go read the press releases from TEPCO. You will be surprised what it currently looks like, and how far they have come. Or just read some random blogger and Facebook "news".
 
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Originally Posted by Smanci View Post

Although being a theoretical physicist, Michio Kaku is a strong opponent of anything nuclear so I'd take that with a grain of salt. Known for opposing the use of RTGs in interplanetary spacecraft without providing any actual proof.
Well, the argument against is pretty simple. If the rocket explodes on launch, spreading plutonium over one's country is generally bad. It's a pretty well-known risk, though, so it just depends on the individual's risk assessment and tolerance.
 
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Originally Posted by the9quad View Post

I wonder how many other reactor RPVs you couldn't survive being in due to radiation? Answer: all of them. This article is about the most ill informed stupid thing I have seen. Read another one that said you can't even go in the reactor building due to rad levels...(because TEPCO is lying).clearly not looking at the picture of five people standing in the reactor building getting the robot ready to go in one of the penetrations. That was the "expert" whistle blower who apparently doesn't know what a BWR 4 reactor building looks like. Or PBS and their article on it being sooooo many times more water released than three mile island, maybe because that didn't release jack. Or realizing that actually the issue isn't water that has reached the ocean, but rather the issue is they are actually stopping it and storing it, but they have a metric butt ton to process.

Here is an idea, maybe take off your tin foil hat go read the press releases from TEPCO. You will be surprised what it currently looks like, and how far they have come. Or just read some random blogger and Facebook "news".
Can you link some good ones for us all to take a peek at?

Thanks !
 
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