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post #1071 of 1989
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Have had to do a few vcore increases as the 1hour fails. I did 59min and then I managed to stop the bench some way.
With some retries I've seen black screen fails at various points.

SoC VRM max @ 48C
Core VRM max @ 89C
Tdie max @ 73.5C (avg ~65-66C)

1.2125V + 0.300V offset = 1.500V under load. still have 30min left to go.

edit: passed 1hour. though fudged and the "data" for a screenshot went away.

cpu-z atleast: https://valid.x86.fr/vrh61z

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post #1072 of 1989
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......I doubt they would intentionally under-design their flagship board. They opted for this design for a reason - and it happens to be working quite well...

The Titanium design decision could simply just be due to bulk purchasing contracts with Nikos. Since they are using that on their AM4s.

Also, we are all early adopters here, and on the same boat as far as uncovering issues and components used. Most of the MSI owners bought the boards during launch, prior to the VRM being uncovered, and now are just speaking out about actual good results they are getting. I tried buying a C6H from Frys and compared it side by side with the Ti, however the C6H did not have enough internal headers for my needs, and the Ti had been working flawlessly Overclocked on Air, so I ended up returning the C6H and keeping the Ti. I did get the Ti at a good price ($250) from Microcenter; so I support the argument that the price should be lower.
 
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post #1073 of 1989
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That will occur on a good many motherboards when they go into powersaving modes - my ASUS CHV-Z and Asrock 990 Extreme 3 for examples.

I'd only be upset if the revisions were of poorer quality - like the Gigabyte did with their 990 UD3's

I see the Tiachi and the Gigabyte K5's both showing higher VRM temperatures during prime 95 than my Titanium does, with lower voltages/clocks to boot. About the only way I could be happier with the Titanium is if it had an option for baseclock overclocking, which may be in the works.

I don't know. I've never seen a board completely lose CPU temp signal, which is the most important temp output. If I close Hwinfo and reopen, it will not reappear. The signal is completely gone from motherboard temp data. Debug LED still outputs though, which is good, and temps can be read from other sources with more data points.

I updated to BIOS 1.52 beta, and I'm still seeing random fan outputs while using my PC. Right now, system 3 fan output has shown up within 20 minutes of running (65,280rpm is one mighty fan), and VIN10 is back with 0.000v. I've also completely lost AUXTIN1 output, which I used to have. Speaking of which, while typing this, AUXTIN1 has come back with a 0.000v output.

I'm tempted to go back to BIOS 1.1 just to make sure my board isn't a dud.
post #1074 of 1989
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I think the Titanium is overpriced for what it offers and I have one (only because the Taichi was out of stock for a month or so). I got it for a decent price at $260, but I still think that's too much. I've rarely spent more than $200 for a mobo.

Anyway, it looks like MSI is going to pull a fast one on us, likely because they know the rev. 1.0 boards are **** compared to the competition (maybe someone saw this VRM thread?).

See my image here: http://imgur.com/CJKuG9H

Why are there already -002 and -02S models? These are distinct model numbers for new boards (at least, I think they are; do set me straight on that; B350 Mortar is 7A37-001, Mortar Arctic is -002, but the image shows the same Titanium name for all 3 models ... hmm). I know mine is a -001. I was reporting some temp and voltage reporting oddities to MSI when I stumbled upon this.

My VRMs are staying under 60C (with 2 200mm fans, top and side with 120mm exhaust) at 3.9GHz/1.35v, but still, was I disappointed? Yep. It's like they allocated all of their good VRM stock for Z270 Titanium boards. Lame. At the MSRP of $299, it better have the best components on the market.

If you're curious about the oddities I was reporting on, see them here: http://imgur.com/9WqWJXx

Lovely, right? Occurs after long idle overnight, since "stable" BIOS 1.4. CPU temp has completely dropped signal to mobo, thankfully it can be read directly. Fan signals are coming up at random when I only have 1 fan (CPU sense only). A lot of other voltage readings have dropped out at one point, and there are even some I haven't seen before. WITAF is this mess? So sloppy.

One point - I am not sure how well the Corsair software supports the MSI sensors. I did a little digging on this and MSI uses a Nuvoton NCT6795D "Super I/O" chip which is custom made for MSI and doesn't have published specs. There are a number of posts out on this issue. Developers have had to reverse engineer it from what I can tell, and there were some post about Corsair Link support (or lack of it) for that chip that are fairly recent. HWinfo64 seems to support it properly. If you haven't already (I apologize if you already mentioned as much), see if you get the same behavior with HWinfo64's sensor monitor...
post #1075 of 1989
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Originally Posted by JasonMZW20 View Post

I think the Titanium is overpriced for what it offers and I have one (only because the Taichi was out of stock for a month or so). I got it for a decent price at $260, but I still think that's too much. I've rarely spent more than $200 for a mobo.

Anyway, it looks like MSI is going to pull a fast one on us, likely because they know the rev. 1.0 boards are **** compared to the competition (maybe someone saw this VRM thread?).

See my image here: http://imgur.com/CJKuG9H

Why are there already -002 and -02S models? These are distinct model numbers for new boards (at least, I think they are; do set me straight on that; B350 Mortar is 7A37-001, Mortar Arctic is -002, but the image shows the same Titanium name for all 3 models ... hmm). I know mine is a -001. I was reporting some temp and voltage reporting oddities to MSI when I stumbled upon this.

My VRMs are staying under 60C (with 2 200mm fans, top and side with 120mm exhaust) at 3.9GHz/1.35v, but still, was I disappointed? Yep. It's like they allocated all of their good VRM stock for Z270 Titanium boards. Lame. At the MSRP of $299, it better have the best components on the market.

If you're curious about the oddities I was reporting on, see them here: http://imgur.com/9WqWJXx

Lovely, right? Occurs after long idle overnight, since "stable" BIOS 1.4. CPU temp has completely dropped signal to mobo, thankfully it can be read directly. Fan signals are coming up at random when I only have 1 fan (CPU sense only). A lot of other voltage readings have dropped out at one point, and there are even some I haven't seen before. WITAF is this mess? So sloppy.


I've seen this before with other monitoring software . I was going to ask where you got those fans smile.gif
It would not surprise me to see revisions of the Xpower. After all it SOLD.

Try , as others suggested, hwinfo. It's not as pretty but it does provide a wealth of information that others lack.
post #1076 of 1989
After reading, I can understand both sides of the argument regarding the Titanium. The VRMs are not exactly the highest of quality, thus the board is overpriced. But I can also get the argument that if power consumption is less in practice, why does the VRM need to be so beefed up? I mean...;





Source; https://tweakers.net/productreview/159123/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-5.html


The trashing of the VRM of the Titanium seems a bit exaggerated. I still don't think it justifies paying $300 for the Titanium though. Might as well go for the Prime X370 Pro from Asus, which is almost half the price ($160 at the time of writing).
post #1077 of 1989
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After reading, I can understand both sides of the argument regarding the Titanium. The VRMs are not exactly the highest of quality, thus the board is overpriced. But I can also get the argument that if power consumption is less in practice, why does the VRM need to be so beefed up? I mean...;





Source; https://tweakers.net/productreview/159123/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-5.html


The trashing of the VRM of the Titanium seems a bit exaggerated. I still don't think it justifies paying $300 for the Titanium though. Might as well go for the Prime X370 Pro from Asus, which is almost half the price ($160 at the time of writing).

From what I've seen -the armchair engineers seem to be missing something.
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post #1078 of 1989
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Source; https://tweakers.net/productreview/159123/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-5.html




Test methodology must be different. At the wall in kitguru's. I wasn't able to ascertain how tweaker's was measured.


Why beefier vrm? Better power delivery. Presumably more reliability under load. Some are more capable than others. Better able to function at temps one never wants to see vrms at for example.
post #1079 of 1989
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Originally Posted by TheOldTechGuru View Post

One point - I am not sure how well the Corsair software supports the MSI sensors. I did a little digging on this and MSI uses a Nuvoton NCT6795D "Super I/O" chip which is custom made for MSI and doesn't have published specs. There are a number of posts out on this issue. Developers have had to reverse engineer it from what I can tell, and there were some post about Corsair Link support (or lack of it) for that chip that are fairly recent. HWinfo64 seems to support it properly. If you haven't already (I apologize if you already mentioned as much), see if you get the same behavior with HWinfo64's sensor monitor...
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I've seen this before with other monitoring software . I was going to ask where you got those fans smile.gif
It would not surprise me to see revisions of the Xpower. After all it SOLD.

Try , as others suggested, hwinfo. It's not as pretty but it does provide a wealth of information that others lack.

Are you guys missing the HWiNFO64 panel to the right of the image? It's right there.

It happens in both, so the correlation is interesting. These issues no longer only occur during long idle, but occur during use as well (on 1.52 beta). I'm tempted to go all the way back to BIOS 1.1 just to make sure I don't have a board issue.
post #1080 of 1989
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Are you guys missing the HWiNFO64 panel to the right of the image? It's right there.

It happens in both, so the correlation is interesting. These issues no longer only occur during long idle, but occur during use as well (on 1.52 beta). I'm tempted to go all the way back to BIOS 1.1 just to make sure I don't have a board issue.

For some reason the right half was cut-off when I viewed the full-sized image. I would say you have a defective MB and should RMA it. You certainly shouldn't be getting those drop outs.
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