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post #1271 of 1994

Too true. It's been a bit sad watching enthusiast tech journalism get heavier on the journalism and lighter on the enthusiast. Thankfully we've still got forums with experienced hands, engineers, and extreme overclockers to give us a more accurate overview.

 
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post #1272 of 1994
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A bit of light in the tunnel. Always be skeptical of MB reviews. It's sad to see how bad most motherboard reviews are nowadays. List product specs, unboxing pictures, run random benchmarks which mean nothing (sometimes not even a comparison on the same platform), conclude that the board didn't blow up when powered on, solid 10/10, would get for free again every time. No one even thought to test DRAM scaling until I uploaded some graphs of the scaling. Reviewers got sticks in their AM4 review kits which was among the worst for the platform. Most of them could not get past the 2666 MHz limit. Seriously, no one thought to test other sticks with different DRAM ICs??

I did ( other sticks ) but i am not a "reviewer".

Scaling... frown.gif ( i was stuck on a non ref clock board ) silly AMD sending me a non ref clock board lol.

I don't care about freebies anymore either.

They don't like my findings...to bad...i bought it.

Tables have turned...i don't need them but they could certainly use my feedback to improve product...or ignore me and keep peddling junk..

I speak my mind and don't hold back but i think you and sf3d know that already lol.

Sup elmor. Have not chatted to much with the big guys since i came back smile.gif
Edited by chew* - 4/30/17 at 6:21pm
post #1273 of 1994
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I did ( other sticks ) but i am not a "reviewer".

I don't care about freebies anymore either.

They don't like my findings...to bad...i bought it.

Tables have turned...i don't need them but they could certainly use my feedback to improve product...or ignore me and keep peddling junk..

I speak my mind and don't hold back but i think you and sf3d know that already lol.

Sup elmor. Have not chatted to much with the big guys since i came back smile.gif

Haha you might be a bit too rouge even for my taste. Good to see you back in action smile.gif

You've definitely done some interesting experiments on the platform, I especially like that you've been finding the limits of B350 boards. There overclocking becomes a bit of challange again (but you don't seen to have had too big issues getting decent numbers). I mean if I did reviews, I'd ask for nothing else than B350 and B250-boards. That's where the sales volume is = big opportunity for view count and sales referrals. But that's just me, guess it's not interesting to get a free $100 board instead of one for $300.
post #1274 of 1994
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Haha you might be a bit too rouge even for my taste. Good to see you back in action smile.gif

You've definitely done some interesting experiments on the platform, I especially like that you've been finding the limits of B350 boards. There overclocking becomes a bit of challange again (but you don't seen to have had too big issues getting decent numbers). I mean if I did reviews, I'd ask for nothing else than B350 and B250-boards. That's where the sales volume is = big opportunity for view count and sales referrals. But that's just me, guess it's not interesting to get a free $100 board instead of one for $300.

I would buy some more and may soon. Im fairly satisfied that they can handle the r5 chips just fine.

Need to find some more clearance items. biggrin.gif
post #1275 of 1994
Honestly thats the only reason I got the MSI B350M Gaming Pro, it went on sale for $69 on Newegg. Actually, it was $54 because there was a combo deal with the R5 1400. ph34r-smiley.gif

I poked around, found the power figures for the CPU and the MB, decided it was going to be good enough for my application, and pulled the trigger. Cant really complain about spending around $85 (sold old core system components for $200) and getting a pretty solid upgrade.
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Thank you for your excellent investigation on the topic. It's sad to see how bad most motherboard reviews are nowadays. List product specs, unboxing pictures, run random benchmarks which mean nothing (sometimes not even a comparison on the same platform), conclude that the board didn't blow up when powered on, solid 10/10, would get for free again every time. No one even thought to test DRAM scaling until I uploaded some graphs of the scaling. Reviewers got sticks in their AM4 review kits which was among the worst for the platform. Most of them could not get past the 2666 MHz limit. Seriously, no one thought to test other sticks with different DRAM ICs?

I love my Taichi for what it is, still would never rate it 10/10, specially with it's actual bios.

I blame the memory crap on AMD as they should either provided the best single ranked Micron/Samsung b-die or provide nothing other than a note stating "1rx4 or 1rx8 per slot". Oh well, it has costed them pretty bad notes from many tech sites that just had the right excuse to play fool...

The problem with the MSI X370 Titanium is really simple: It uses $ 0.30 fets to feed the CPU and SoC. These should never be used on any $ 100+ board, the Titanium retails for $300.


It seems like if MSI AM4 line is dumping grounds for nikos fets...

post #1277 of 1994
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I love my Taichi for what it is, still would never rate it 10/10, specially with it's actual bios.

I blame the memory crap on AMD as they should either provided the best single ranked Micron/Samsung b-die or provide nothing other than a note stating "1rx4 or 1rx8 per slot". Oh well, it has costed them pretty bad notes from many tech sites that just had the right excuse to play fool...

The problem with the MSI X370 Titanium is really simple: It uses $ 0.30 fets to feed the CPU and SoC. These should never be used on any $ 100+ board, the Titanium retails for $300.


It seems like if MSI AM4 line is dumping grounds for nikos fets...


MSI is definitely milking that board for all they can. Are people buying it just for the looks? A few more interesting topics. How many reviews of the C6H tested reference clock adjustments, its main feature? And used it to get higher DRAM frequency? Only Overclock3d as far as I can tell, kudos to them. Did any of them mention the bricking issues? FanXpert problems? Aura problems?
Edited by elmor - 4/30/17 at 11:19pm
post #1278 of 1994
@ elmor, my theory is some people are buying it because "pricier is always better built" supposedly (i.e. people that just buy the most expensive MSRP because they can and cba to do research).

Then there's people buying it before reviews on premises of Xpower quality VRM and OC features, who got shafted. It lacks BCLK , the mosfets / inductors of Z170 Xpower, v-check points, & OC Dashboard for starters.

There's likely others that are niche users requiring SATA express U.2 / 2nd M.2 slot all on the same board.

I don't think there would be as many buyers if it were a $220 Mpower board even if it were identical.

@virpz

To be fair the NIKOS PK616+PK632 mosfets used on MSI Gaming boards doesn't surprise me since Intel boards such as M5 / M7 /Mpower used them, including the X99 Tomahawk & Gaming Pro carbon. It does surprise me they're used on the flagship.
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MSI is definitely milking that board for all they can. Are people buying it just for the looks? A few more interesting topics. How many reviews of the C6H tested reference clock adjustments, its main feature? And used it to get higher DRAM frequency? Only Overclock3d as far as I can tell, kudos to them. Did any of them mention the bricking issues? FanXpert problems? Aura problems?
Yeah, to get straight info based on reviews is no easy job these days. Some sites even do entire reviews by copy&paste of the manufacturers product highlights, othersdo half ass reviews by stating half truths.
The consumers have changed, polarization is just a different way to ask for the ignorant s, most brands aretrying to make the most out of it by giving them what they deserve.
"Let's provide them with really good paint job and hide the crap bellow the carpet= They pay more for less so we can have an extended profit margin"
Paint is cheap, quality parts are expensive, way more than $0.30:thumb:
Edited by virpz - 5/1/17 at 12:19am
post #1280 of 1994
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I love my Taichi for what it is, still would never rate it 10/10, specially with it's actual bios.

I blame the memory crap on AMD as they should either provided the best single ranked Micron/Samsung b-die or provide nothing other than a note stating "1rx4 or 1rx8 per slot". Oh well, it has costed them pretty bad notes from many tech sites that just had the right excuse to play fool...

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It seems like if MSI AM4 line is dumping grounds for nikos fets...


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I bought the Titanium mostly for aesthetics and the fact that I've had better luck with MSI boards than any other brand I've tried. 3 year warranty doesn't hurt either.

4150mhz on the cpu , 3200mhz cl 14 1t on the ram - daily clocks, haven't seen many other doing much better on ambient cooling.
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