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post #1451 of 2036
Prime Pro - no tweaks


Taichi - Tweaked. Look at the Physics score thumb.gif


No cheats in the sense of hacking results, just tweaking in the sense of giving what was needed.
post #1452 of 2036
Wait, so the Taichi has tweaks and is faster than the ASUS? Now I'm confused. headscratch.gif
post #1453 of 2036
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Wait, so the Taichi has tweaks and is faster than the ASUS? Now I'm confused. headscratch.gif

In that scenario, yes.
post #1454 of 2036
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newer overclockers should get plenty of advice on airflow and active VRM cooling before diving too deep with those motherboards.
Better yet, have all of them who own loops to say "I'm not paying you a dollar until you offer feature parity with 2013 Intel boards".

So many comments about airflow on the VRM. We wouldn't need to jury-rig fans with basic feature parity.
post #1455 of 2036
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Better yet, have all of them who own loops to say "I'm not paying you a dollar until you offer feature parity with 2013 Intel boards".

So many comments about airflow on the VRM. We wouldn't need to jury-rig fans with basic feature parity.


Since you've selected my comment out of the 'many comments about airflow', sure, I'll get right on that and coordinate a worldwide campaign. Or, we could acknowledge that many users are going to be using these existing motherboards as they are and that advice given to people who are new to overclocking should probably take factors like case airflow into consideration.

 

Do you really think that people choosing not to buy AM4 motherboards would have had the effect you desire? I think it's much more likely that the lack of perfect parity would give way to a lack of support entirely, a la AM3+. If you want that feature parity, be glad that people are demonstrating the demand for AM4 products with their own money so that you can carry on with your principled crusade.

 

The CH6, Taichi, GT7, and Gaming 5 / K7, even the Titanium (despite my misgivings about the price) alone represent more effort put into AM4 than years of AM3+ combined. I'm not going to wait around for miracles, especially miracles that are unlikely to occur if consumers magically undertook a blanket boycott.

 
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post #1456 of 2036
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Better yet, have all of them who own loops to say "I'm not paying you a dollar until you offer feature parity with 2013 Intel boards".

So many comments about airflow on the VRM. We wouldn't need to jury-rig fans with basic feature parity.

get the CHVI Hero and get the EK monoblock.

Owning a loop doesn't exempt you from VRM cooling.
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post #1457 of 2036
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Do you really think that people choosing not to buy AM4 motherboards would have had the effect you desire? I think it's much more likely that the lack of perfect parity would give way to a lack of support entirely, a la AM3+. If you want that feature parity, be glad that people are demonstrating the demand for AM4 products with their own money so that you can carry on with your principled crusade.
Snark won't change the fact that board makers can do better, like offering basic feature parity with Intel offerings.

It's also weird for people to obsess over VRM components and choose to completely ignore the hybrid water/air VRM coolers.
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I'm not going to wait around for miracles, especially miracles that are unlikely to occur if consumers magically undertook a blanket boycott.
Of course companies will make products people demand. They need to be told what those are. If people shell out their money for something else then it would be more miraculous for them to start offering the thing people actually want.

Or, we can just pretend that Intel CPUs require nicer stuff.
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The CH6, Taichi, GT7, and Gaming 5 / K7, even the Titanium (despite my misgivings about the price) alone represent more effort put into AM4 than years of AM3+ combined.
AM3+ had the Crosshair and Sabertooth boards. Even after FX was long dead board makers released new boards with things like USB 3.1 and M.2 (like the Aura board). I don't buy this argument at all.

Minimal effort is required. It's not like the hybrid sink is a new thing. It's been around in Intel land since 2013.
post #1458 of 2036
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get the CHVI Hero and get the EK monoblock.

Owning a loop doesn't exempt you from VRM cooling.
Straw man. I'm talking about the hybrid water/air coolers that two board makers offer on Intel, a feature that has been offered on Intel since 2013.

Or, we can worry immensely about the tiniest differences between the current Ryzen boards while claiming that supporting people's water loops is irrelevant for board makers.

EK blocks are fine for those who want to spend that money and put the extra effort into replacing a part they already paid for. It's important, apparently, for the Titanium to have the best air sink but totally unimportant to have a board out there with loop support.
post #1459 of 2036
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Snark won't change the fact that board makers can do better, like offering basic feature parity with Intel offerings.

It's also weird for people to obsess over VRM components and choose to completely ignore the hybrid water/air VRM coolers.

 

No it won't, but refusing to buy motherboards based on a moving set of criteria isn't going to do anything either. We (or rather, you and others who care about it) can put in writing your desire for a hybrid water/air VRM cooler solution on a motherboard. If you can get enough people on board, maybe it'll happen for you. That's not a feature I particularly care about on this platform and the board I chose actually has equal or better features and components next to its Z270 counterpart. So you see, I've done my bit for the cause. Cheers.

 

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Of course companies will make products people demand. They need to be told what those are. If people shell out their money for something else then it would be more miraculous for them to start offering the thing people actually want.

Or, we can just pretend that Intel CPUs require nicer stuff.


It would be miraculous to see investment in a platform increase without sales. Make your concerns known to the board partners, carry on with your boycott, try to win people over to your cause... but know that your chances of getting any forward movement are much greater on a profitable platform with consistent sales.
 

I didn't say anything about Intel CPU's requiring 'nicer stuff', but I won't pretend that a new and unproven AMD socket is going to receive as much initial attention as a profitable mainstream Intel socket.

 

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Originally Posted by superstition222 View Post

AM3+ had the Crosshair and Sabertooth boards. Even after FX was long dead board makers released new boards with things like USB 3.1 and M.2 (like the Aura board). I don't buy this argument at all.

Minimal effort is required. It's not like the hybrid sink is a new thing. It's been around in Intel land since 2013.

 

Right. Two excellent motherboards (from one vendor), maybe four or five total worth recommending, over years of the platform's existence. It doesn't matter whether you buy my argument or not. The fact is that we've already seen better and more consistent vendor participation for AM4 than we ever saw with AM3+, especially if we're talking boards that can provably achieve the best ambient-temperature clocks available to this platform within safe parameters. The comparative list of boards I'd recommend for a 5.0GHz Vishera overclock is several boards lighter.

 

I'd say minimal effort has more than been satisfied. Total parity probably won't come until Zen+, assuming that this iteration of Zen does well financially. That's how these things work. That's why Intel boards have the things you want to see on AM4 motherboards.

 
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post #1460 of 2036
yeah, those hybrid coolers found on the gigabyte gaming 9 would have been nice. too bad asrock doesn't do something similar.

i guess one of the reasons we haven't seen the "cool" boards is coz am4 is a new platform. board makers weren't sure if it would sell to begin with while sandy bridge derivatives sold like crazy. and given the 270 chipset came out almost at the same time, am sure the board makers were focusing more on the 270 platform coz they know that thing sells and if they don't put their best boards out on that platform they will lose out to competition.

either way, we buy the best we can get and hopefully get enough people onto the platform for the board makers to want to invest more into creating better products for it. at the end of the day, sales is what will drive board makers to innovate.
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