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Sorry to bother again but is there a difference between the Strix X370-F Gaming and the X370 Taichi?
I don't really need wifi and bluetooth. Other than that from what I read on hardwareluxx the VRM is pretty much the same. And the Strix is 30€ cheaper plus nicer Bios.
Or is the build quality and heatsink better on the Taichi?

Just read that the Taichi doesn't display temperatures correctly. Is that still a thing?

Taichi is better in terms of troubleshooting, you have a clear CMOS button + Debug LED.

Since it has been out longer more people are using it and also has a heatpipe heatsink (so I'd also be less skeptical of the heatsink) I'd not be too concerned as far as support. The fact that it uses double the mosfets for CPU power delivery and of similar quality means you have less than half the heat output per mosfet (due to nonlinear power loss).

The Taichi also has 2nd M.2 slot, which is rare on X370 boards.

The price difference on Newegg in the USA is minimal , it's ~ $170 for Taichi and ~ $155 for X370-F STRIX.
Edited by AlphaC - 9/25/17 at 2:57pm
post #2732 of 2899
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Taichi is better in terms of troubleshooting, you have a clear CMOS button + Debug LED.

Since it has been out longer more people are using it and also has a heatpipe heatsink (so I'd also be less skeptical of the heatsink) I'd not be too concerned as far as support. The fact that it uses double the mosfets for CPU power delivery and of similar quality means you have less than half the heat output per mosfet (due to nonlinear power loss).

The price difference on Newegg in the USA is minimal , it's ~ $170 for Taichi and ~ $155 for X370-F STRIX.

Oh wow thats almost cheap compared to german prices. Converted it costs 245$ here! Though newegg sells it for 189$ right now.

I woud love to get something cheaper with the same quality and low heat output. But I guess that is unlikely to find?
post #2733 of 2899
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Can somebody tell me about Asrock support? And ram support on their boards?
asrock support suck, they eol x370 k4 come out just after a few month.

i rather get asus.
post #2734 of 2899
https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/asus_rog_strix_x370_f_gaming_review,18.html Is this information valuable? Because the Strix doesn't convince performance-wise. How come some boards have massive advantages on some testes and loose on others. Very confusing.

Edit: I think this is a not reliable source tongue.gif
Edited by monitorhero - 9/25/17 at 5:31pm
post #2735 of 2899
so, i'm doing some task here, 75~80% CPU usage and the VRM sink does runs hot even tho it doesn't burn as bad as Prime's. maybe, it's because i add a shroud to force some air flows through VRM block.

my room ambient temp is ranging around 29~32C-ish



i can't really trust the sensor readings but i quite trust my fingers. there's hot air flowing from VRM block to the exhaust. much hotter than the air flowing from my CPU cooler to exhaust.

condition : open case (still waiting my intake fans to arrive. SW3 1000RPM doesn't do a good enough job for me)
so, the air flow on the case isn't quite forced flowing through the components. too bad my multimeter has no temperature features. i'd like to attach a k-probe on the VRM block
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post #2736 of 2899
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Sorry to bother again but is there a difference between the Strix X370-F Gaming and the X370 Taichi?
I don't really need wifi and bluetooth. Other than that from what I read on hardwareluxx the VRM is pretty much the same. And the Strix is 30€ cheaper plus nicer Bios.
Or is the build quality and heatsink better on the Taichi?

Just read that the Taichi doesn't display temperatures correctly. Is that still a thing?
Taichi has 12 phase NexFETs
Strix has 6phase IR3555s.
Taichi will run cooler, because it has bigger heatsink and more mosfet surface area than Strix.
Dont know about the temps tho.
post #2737 of 2899
Its not really 12 iirc its 4+4 and 2+2.

Basically 4 phase doubled and 2 phase doubled.
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so, i'm doing some task here, 75~80% CPU usage and the VRM sink does runs hot even tho it doesn't burn as bad as Prime's. maybe, it's because i add a shroud to force some air flows through VRM block.

my room ambient temp is ranging around 29~32C-ish



i can't really trust the sensor readings but i quite trust my fingers. there's hot air flowing from VRM block to the exhaust. much hotter than the air flowing from my CPU cooler to exhaust.

condition : open case (still waiting my intake fans to arrive. SW3 1000RPM doesn't do a good enough job for me)
so, the air flow on the case isn't quite forced flowing through the components. too bad my multimeter has no temperature features. i'd like to attach a k-probe on the VRM block

Hey thanks for sharing your impressions. Guess I will go with the Taichi then. I would still be curious to see some temperature measurments on it.
But the bios is really bad why I would like to go with Asus: https://youtu.be/4v73oXX1C-Q
Edited by monitorhero - 9/26/17 at 2:03am
post #2739 of 2899
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Hey thanks for sharing your impressions. Guess I will go with the Taichi then. I would still be curious to see some temperature measurments on it.

sure, no problem at all biggrin.gif
Taichi is a good board. hope you like it thumb.gif
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sure, no problem at all biggrin.gif
Taichi is a good board. hope you like it thumb.gif

I am still not sure. The more I read about any board the less convinced I am. Because like in the video above the Bios is really confusing if you come from Asus which is really nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v73oXX1C-Q So he says 2T isn't possible on the Taichi apparently
Edited by monitorhero - 9/26/17 at 2:11am
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