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post #1691 of 1997
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Well if it was the cpu , after Titanium bios 1.73 or official bios 1.7 I could no longer successfully post if I chose to change the cpu multiplier from auto to overclock it. Any value whatever other than auto would cause failure to post. Only a cmos clearnce would allow me to post into bios if I changed the multiplier. This issue would disappear if I reverted to bios 1.72 or earlier. So AMD replaced mu 1800X and the same problem still exists. It is totally befudddling to me. My first 1800X also had a better IMC than on the new one. While my settings are identical I get between 10 to 14 fps less with this new cpu in my cinebench 15.0 benchmarks with open gl. So could it be anything in the motherboard that causes the failure to post with cpu multiplier activated with the new microcode????
What about the latest bios 7A31v18?
post #1692 of 1997
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Originally Posted by os2wiz View Post

Well if it was the cpu , after Titanium bios 1.73 or official bios 1.7 I could no longer successfully post if I chose to change the cpu multiplier from auto to overclock it. Any value whatever other than auto would cause failure to post. Only a cmos clearnce would allow me to post into bios if I changed the multiplier. This issue would disappear if I reverted to bios 1.72 or earlier. So AMD replaced mu 1800X and the same problem still exists. It is totally befudddling to me. My first 1800X also had a better IMC than on the new one. While my settings are identical I get between 10 to 14 fps less with this new cpu in my cinebench 15.0 benchmarks with open gl. So could it be anything in the motherboard that causes the failure to post with cpu multiplier activated with the new microcode???? I am also tweaking my RX Vega 56 card. I have run some benchmarks and they look quite good, close to an Nvidia 1080 gpu. I am still awaiting my Alphacool Eiswolf GPX 120 full cover AIO gpu waterblock. It should arrive in 2 weeks according to ModMyMods.
If anyone has a theory on my multiplier issue and why uit did nt resolve with the second 1800X installation, I am all ears. Right now I am at 3.9 GHZ using the gameboost utility in the bios.

Unsure about what you could try,

but from experience something is very flaky regards BIOS and OC settings.

Had a bug with some similarities with regards to the CPU multiplier, for some reason the CPU vcore would get stuck on default value, the only way I could get the CPU vcore to 'obey' the values set instead of the default value was to change the multiplier by one, i.e. if I had 38 I had to change to either 37 or 39, save reboot and then the CPU vcore would respect the value it had been set to.

Another OC bug, although I have 2 x 8GB installed, the motherboard would only detect 8GB. I took me a while to realise this was the issue and I kept getting F9 code but then the computer would post.

I flashed to 2 differenty BIOS versions until I noticed the motherboard for some reason was only detecting one stick of RAM.

Solution, I powered down the mobo, unseated the ram sticks, inserted one by one to test they were both OK.

Once i determined they were both OK, put them both back in, power button, post OK, dialled in OC settings, post OK.

So for sure strange things are occurring with this platform.......

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post #1693 of 1997
Sounds like bios is fine, that sounds to me like a bad seating, be it dusty or w.e.


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post #1694 of 1997
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Hi,

well we are at the same point in what we are pushing for,

my current stable settings for 5 hours prime95 custom 14000mb are

CPU: 3800mhz, 1.35v, LLC auto,
RAM: 3066mhz 1.45v, 1T-14-14-14-14-28-50

Currently testing (2hr 20 minutes into test)
CPU: 3900mhz, 1.35v, LLC auto,
RAM: 3066mhz 1.45v, 1T-14-14-14-14-28-50

Just as yourself still have not found stable settings for 3200mhz memory with the CPU over 3200mhz, once ive got my baseline overclocks sorted I will start experiment with loosening some of the tertiary timings.

Im hoping playing with trc, tfaw and trfc will bring some progress!

Safe ProcODT, AMD rep said dont go over 80ohm unless you have liquid nitrogen, mine is also set at 60ohms, from what ive understood, this setting will effect cold boot issues and fixing memory holes, does not really effect stability with regards a posted system when stress testing.

I would leave RAM voltages as is until you have found stable targeted settings then start decreasing voltages etc etc

Gear down, in theory is a good thing to have, in practise seems better to have it on disabled as it throws unknown (you will need to read about exactly what gear down down does) factors into the equation.

Dont just put any sort of loose memory timings, it does not work that way (at least for my system!).

Loose timing that are out of sync with other memory timings will be a cause of instability and non posting PC.

I have been using the stilts timings and adjusting accordingly through testing, you need to spend the time testing if you want the results!

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Bank interleave, all say leave disabled for single rank modules, enabled for dual rank (I dont have dual rank ram)

I also was getting 3 beeps when setting 3200mhz (I have 2x8GB), play with CPU_VDDP, mine is set at 0.765, this setting directly effects the memory being excepted at post, we need settings to help alleviate cold boot issues,

dram boot voltage
vtt ddr voltage

hope we see these in the next agesa release

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I think you meant bank group swap NOT interleave.
post #1695 of 1997
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Sounds like bios is fine, that sounds to me like a bad seating, be it dusty or w.e.


As to oz, like always bios screen shots please

Unlikely to be a bad seating as it has been reseated twice by a professional with no change in results.
post #1696 of 1997
1.94 out this morning I guess... Keeping my eyes crossed 3200.
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post #1697 of 1997
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1.94 out this morning I guess... Keeping my eyes crossed 3200.
Hmmm lots of beta bios updates!

Shame we have no idea what the changes are.

Going from 1.91 to 1.80 ive had to up my CPU vcore to be prime95 stable custom 14000mb to 1.4250 from 1.4000.

Undecided if im gonna try the beta bios, had alot of weird issues with the 1.91 bios that I have not had since moving back to 1.8

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post #1698 of 1997
1.91 worked pretty well for me. The 1.93 was a disaster and created a stability issue. So far 1.94 has been pretty good.

As for the issue Os2Wiz is seeing, I have seen something *similar*, and it may be the same. The BIOS does take the multiplier and it boots showing the correct after POST, but once Windows loads it would be at the default CPU speed. The issue isn't with the multiplier, it's a voltage issue. This would occur when my memory wouldn't pass the training tests (as far as I can tell). It's a known issue with Ryzen and Hynix die related to voltages at bootup. I had read AMD was working to address this in an updated AGESA. The AGESA version for 1.94 is 1.0.0.6B. So when it did fail (was inconsistent), going into the BIOS and changing the CPU multiplier is the only way to get the custom voltages to work again. You can try rebooting over and over, but if you would check in your BIOS you would see actual CPU/SOC voltages at default. Only changing the multiple would get the voltages to stick. Using the MSI Boost function adds a "behavior" after POST which must cause the voltages to get reset because using it did seem to work as a work-around (for the CPU, but not the memory training issues)

So far, 1.94 hasn't shown the issue but I haven't been using it long enough to have a track record on cold boots. At least this morning it came up just fine.
post #1699 of 1997
Thanks for the feedback!

Very helpful information, maybe this was the reason for the quick update from 1.93 to 1.94

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post #1700 of 1997
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

Sounds like bios is fine, that sounds to me like a bad seating, be it dusty or w.e.


As to oz, like always bios screen shots please

I can't reconcile this to a bad cpu seating. As I said it has been changed at least twice since this problem has cropped up 3 months ago.. It has being done by an installation professional. And if it is only apparent with post agesa 1.06 bioses revisions that does NOT reconcile with a seating issue. I respect your knowledge but it simply is not logical. To me a seating issue leads to flakiness, not a consistent repeatable and verifiable flaw that mysteriously disappears when reverting to earlier bios revisions. If my logic is flawed please give me an example to demonstrate your point.
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