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Anyone managed to get the Flashback+ feature working on this board?
I've tested it on multiple boards and never got it working. Usedifferent USB drives, formatted to FAT32 FS, different binary versions named to "MSI.ROM", etc. Usually pressing the button did absolutely nothing. Sometimes it started up the system, but did not activate the Flashback function.

By far the most bugged board I've tested and the extremely inefficient VRM (78% worst case on a stock 1800X) doesn't make it any more appealing.

Which button are you pressing? I have heard people claim the button on the rear panel is the Flashback button, certainty the USB port at 90 degree angle is the flashback port, but the Manual says the button near the OC knob is the flashback button.
post #172 of 1774
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Originally Posted by The Stilt View Post

Anyone managed to get the Flashback+ feature working on this board?
I've tested it on multiple boards and never got it working. Usedifferent USB drives, formatted to FAT32 FS, different binary versions named to "MSI.ROM", etc. Usually pressing the button did absolutely nothing. Sometimes it started up the system, but did not activate the Flashback function.

By far the most bugged board I've tested and the extremely inefficient VRM (78% worst case on a stock 1800X) doesn't make it any more appealing.



What bugs have you run into? I've had no issues whatsoever.

As for the vrms it doesn't seem to effect much of anything - I'm getting good clocks out of my 1800X 4.1 Ghz + on stress tests .
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post #173 of 1774
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Which button are you pressing? I have heard people claim the button on the rear panel is the Flashback button, certainty the USB port at 90 degree angle is the flashback port, but the Manual says the button near the OC knob is the flashback button.

The Flashback+ activation button is located in the lower right corner of the motherboard. The button in the back panel is for clearing the CMOS.
The Flashback USB port is the one odd port, unaligned with the rest.
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What bugs have you run into? I've had no issues whatsoever.

As for the vrms it doesn't seem to effect much of anything - I'm getting good clocks out of my 1800X 4.1 Ghz + on stress tests .

The bugs are mostly related to AGESA itself.
MSI has neglected implementing up to date AGESA version in their bioses. Currently all of the bios builds available for X370 Titanium feature AGESA 1.0.0.1, which contains several bugs. All of the firmwares and microcodes in this AGESA version date back to the very beginning of January. They are bugged and definitely should no longer be used. All of the other major ODMs (ASRock, ASUS, Biostar Gigabyte) have released bioses which contain up to date software stack from AMD (AGESA 1.0.0.2 or 1.0.0.3).

The newest beta build for X370 Titanium was released yesterday (1.31) and it still uses the same 1.0.0.1 AGESA version rolleyessmileyanim.gif
Also currently there is not a single bios build available to download for X370 Titanium as MSI apparently has pulled the 1.1 version from their support site.

AGESA 1.0.0.1 contains bugs which affect performance as well. For example the ST XFR in certain cases is being suddenly locked to MT XFR frequency (e.g. 3.7GHz instead of 4.1GHz on a 1800X).

X370 Titanium is not even remotely receiving the amount of support the customers are entitled to, especially in case of a high-end board.
Not to mention when the (over)pricing of the board is nothing short of a daylight robbery.

All of the AM4 motherboards are currently far from fully functional, however MSI is still in a class of it's own.
Edited by The Stilt - 3/20/17 at 9:09pm
post #174 of 1774
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Which button are you pressing? I have heard people claim the button on the rear panel is the Flashback button, certainty the USB port at 90 degree angle is the flashback port, but the Manual says the button near the OC knob is the flashback button.

The Flashback+ activation button is located in the lower right corner of the motherboard. The button in the back panel is for clearing the CMOS.
The Flashback USB port is the one odd port, unaligned with the rest.
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What bugs have you run into? I've had no issues whatsoever.

As for the vrms it doesn't seem to effect much of anything - I'm getting good clocks out of my 1800X 4.1 Ghz + on stress tests .

The bugs are mostly related to AGESA itself.
MSI has neglected implementing up to date AGESA version in their bioses. Currently all of the bios builds available for X370 Titanium feature AGESA 1.0.0.1, which contains several bugs. All of the firmwares and microcodes in this AGESA version date back to the very beginning of January. They are bugged and definitely should no longer be used. All of the other major ODMs (ASRock, ASUS, Biostar Gigabyte) have released bioses which contain up to date software stack from AMD (AGESA 1.0.0.2 or 1.0.0.3).

The newest beta build for X370 Titanium was released yesterday (1.31) and it still uses the same 1.0.0.1 AGESA version rolleyessmileyanim.gif
Also currently there is not a single bios build available to download for X370 Titanium as MSI apparently has pulled the 1.1 version from their support site.

AGESA 1.0.0.1 contains bugs which affect performance as well. For example the ST XFR in certain cases is being suddenly locked to MT XFR frequency (e.g. 3.7GHz instead of 4.1GHz on a 1800X).

X370 Titanium is not even remotely receiving the amount of support the customers are entitled to, especially in case of a high-end board.
Not to mention when the (over)pricing of the board is nothing short of a daylight robbery.


All of the AM4 motherboards are currently far from fully functional, however MSI is still in a class of it's own.

I agree the Titanium is overpriced , but I've not had any problems at all on the 1.1 bios that it shipped with.

I'm quite impressed with the XFR on mine - it's leaps and bounds better than any other AMD turbo function and I get 4.1 ghz at default settings.

I've heard of way more problems with Gigabyte gaming 5's and Asus Crosshairs than Titaniums - could be that they have sold more of them though . In fact , there's been so many problems reported with the Gigabyte that I'm about half scared to even try the K7 I have sitting here for fear it will kill my trident z's

I've posted screenshots running prime as well as IBT AVX at 4.1 ghz under 1.45 volts , that compares favorably with anything else I've seen ( at least on ambient cooling).
VRMs have stayed below 60C if monitoring software is to be believed. I don't think anyone is going to have problems with them short of extreme benching as long as they have some airflow over the socket area .

I've played about 4 hours of battlefield 1, ran half a dozen timespy and firestrike runs at 4150 mhz 1.432 volts LLC 3 with no problems this evening.

Trident's are at cl 14 3200 1T 1.35 volts , had the Fury running 1175 , 530 clobbering some 5 ghz 7700K timespy and firestrike scores - I'm very happy with the whole rig.
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I'll give it a good wringing out - time will tell.

Edit: If you aren't getting 4.1ghz out of it as an XFR clock, you probably need to change your power plan to High performance In Windows- that will really screw with clocks and voltages if it is in balance mode.


That's what it should look like in hp mode
If it's in balance mode it wont show over 3800mhz that I've seen and it will be at 2200 or so most of the time with voltages all over the place.
Edited by cssorkinman - 3/20/17 at 10:34pm
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post #175 of 1774
I already said the XFR bug is AGESA related.

Run Prime95 for a minute -> run CB R15 MT -> run CB 15 ST.

The CPU no longer boosts to ST XFR frequency, but only to MT XFR frequency (~146pts CB R15 ST).
post #176 of 1774
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I already said the XFR bug is AGESA related.

Run Prime95 for a minute -> run CB R15 MT -> run CB 15 ST.

The CPU no longer boosts to ST XFR frequency, but only to MT XFR frequency (~146pts CB R15 ST).

I appreciate you taking the time to explain where you are coming from but my experience is much different. I ran a couple minutes of prime as you suggested then ran the multicore test in r15 followed by the single and this is the result.






Is it possible that the XFR limit is only triggered beyond a certain core temp? I've noticed an odd drop in scores if reported cpu temp goes above 73 C on the debugging LED on the Titanium.

Edit: It's after 1 am here - heading for bed . I'll try it again tomorrow maybe with windows balanced power plan and see if that make a difference - thanks again!
Edited by cssorkinman - 3/20/17 at 11:11pm
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post #177 of 1774
There are definite problems with the bios. My Samsung 950 Pro m.2 NVME drive seems to be incompatible with the current set of bios offerings on the MSI Titanium. I have tested the drive itself with the latest Samsung Magician software, version 5,0, and it gets a clean bill of health. Yet I can not install windows 10 Pro on it without one of two errors. After installing files and system reboots windows will not boot to finish installation. Or the second problem if it does boot into windows which only happened twice in 20 attempts and completes installation the screen goes blank in the user interface and the drive will no longer boot. Other problems with this drive in the system is that it takes sometimes 10 minutes or longer for the bios to come up on power on. One other user with this drive had the same exact problem. I have foundzero people whohave had a successful installation on this board with the Samsung 950 Pro m.2 NVMe.
post #178 of 1774
Well... trying to get mine to do initial post. Showing error code 48. Still looking into it.


Edit: nvm did battery removal to reset cmos. And were off
Edited by motoray - 3/21/17 at 12:17am
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post #179 of 1774
My god booting on m.2 drive is insane. Literally goes from post to windows in the blink of an eye.have not overclocked anything yet. Been going at this build all day, will update tomorrow... need to get some stability testing programs while i am at it.
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post #180 of 1774
You'll have to post your settings, or tell us what you did to accomplish this. I've got a Samsung 960 Pro m.2 NVMe, but it still takes about 20 seconds to boot.
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