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post #531 of 1105
There is some blame on the bios from on both sides of the fence, AMD for launching earlier than they had shared with the board vendors.
Some board vendors for not using the AGESA code updates that have been arriving (late)
In this particular case, I am annoyed by MSI because they seem to be the slowest when it comes to BIOS updates. The question is why? understaffed, or not as good at it as their peers?
post #532 of 1105
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There is some blame on the bios from on both sides of the fence, AMD for launching earlier than they had shared with the board vendors.
Some board vendors for not using the AGESA code updates that have been arriving (late)
In this particular case, I am annoyed by MSI because they seem to be the slowest when it comes to BIOS updates. The question is why? understaffed, or not as good at it as their peers?

Well from my side of the fence... I've had my board and 1700 running since March 3rd... The 1700 is @ 3.9 with 1.3v and the ram is @ 3200. That's what it's been at since I put it together on March 3rd and I've never had any issues with the system. I might be able to go lower at 3.9 voltage wise but 1.3 seems low enough compared to some I've seen. I've also just not felt like pushing for more yet. Due to using my system quite a bit lately so less free experiment time.

So personally I haven't felt much of an urge to upgrade my bios... obviously for people who have issues I get that and understand they want those issues fixed. However... it's not like every single person is having a problem and MSI dropped a ball over it.

My board came with the 1.1 bios and I eventually updated to the 1.3... which still worked fine for me. That's part of why I haven't really been posting on the site much...
post #533 of 1105
I have gone through 2 different boards, and 4 kits of ram to find something that would even work at ddr4 2400, I have my third kit of G.skill tridentz sitting here afraid to install it, for fear of it having 1 stick die again (would be third time in a row)

So I can appreciate that you are happy, and some others are happy, but just know that was a matter of pure luck and NOT certainty or some form of wisdom on your part. The anger and ill will being felt by many of us is very real, and very justified.
post #534 of 1105
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I have gone through 2 different boards, and 4 kits of ram to find something that would even work at ddr4 2400, I have my third kit of G.skill tridentz sitting here afraid to install it, for fear of it having 1 stick die again (would be third time in a row)

So I can appreciate that you are happy, and some others are happy, but just know that was a matter of pure luck and NOT certainty or some form of wisdom on your part. The anger and ill will being felt by many of us is very real, and very justified.

To follow this up, I have been building my own computers since 1979, and have built many thousands at work, since I do this for a living, not just as a hobby. This Ryzen experience has been one of the worst I have ever had. The board vendor points the finger at AMD, the memory companies point the finger at the board makers, and none of them seem overly concerned to make things right. now I have a fairly good idea of what issues are causing the problems, however I have yet to see a board which would allow you to access and adjust the sub timings, to set it up correctly. Most people don't even know what sub timings are, and how they affect everything else. Ryzen also wants to run at 1T command rate instead of 2T like practically every x86 board since forever.

shortly after launch I read a white paper from AMD recommending 3 specific memory kits to work at 3200 speeds, so I bought one, and it failed immediately, So was it just bad ram, or bad bios, or just plain bad advice I can't say.
post #535 of 1105
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I have gone through 2 different boards, and 4 kits of ram to find something that would even work at ddr4 2400, I have my third kit of G.skill tridentz sitting here afraid to install it, for fear of it having 1 stick die again (would be third time in a row)

So I can appreciate that you are happy, and some others are happy, but just know that was a matter of pure luck and NOT certainty or some form of wisdom on your part. The anger and ill will being felt by many of us is very real, and very justified.

What do you mean nothing to do with wisdom ? You messed around with a beta bios - that is about as foolish as it gets.
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What do you mean nothing to do with wisdom ? You messed around with a beta bios - that is about as foolish as it gets.

I didn't mess around with a beta bios, I was running bios version 1.1 when the issues with ram happened. trying beta 1.41 didn't help so I went back to the final official 1.3 they provided on the website, which I am still running right now. with g.skill fortis series ddr4 2400 cl16 ram, which by the way, is identical chips as the trident-z cl16 memory kits, hynix, but the different is the configuration stored on the module has the correct timings to make it work right out of the box. So if you buy the lower speed fortis kits that are jedec compliant DDR4 specifications, they will auto detect and boot right up with zero issues. The problem with that is the infinity fabric sets its speeds based on the ram frequency, so to extract the full power of the processor practically requires running a DDR4 overclock to 3000 or 3200 or even higher.
post #537 of 1105
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What do you mean nothing to do with wisdom ? You messed around with a beta bios - that is about as foolish as it gets.

I didn't mess around with a beta bios, I was running bios version 1.1 when the issues with ram happened. trying beta 1.41 didn't help so I went back to the final official 1.3 they provided on the website, which I am still running right now. with g.skill fortis series ddr4 2400 cl16 ram, which by the way, is identical chips as the trident-z cl16 memory kits, hynix, but the different is the configuration stored on the module has the correct timings to make it work right out of the box. So if you buy the lower speed fortis kits that are jedec compliant DDR4 specifications, they will auto detect and boot right up with zero issues. The problem with that is the infinity fabric sets its speeds based on the ram frequency, so to extract the full power of the processor practically requires running a DDR4 overclock to 3000 or 3200 or even higher.


Here is what you did from my point of view. You bought a kit that was not on the QVL for the motherboard and being disappointed that it didn't run at rated speeds you tried a beta bios which went very badly ( which has happened on about any brand of board out there with this platform). You then bought a cheap ddr4 kit rated that IS on the QVL but only rated for 2400 mhz operation and you are once again disappointed because it only runs at .... 2400mhz

People that take responsibility for failures - learn , people who think they are above making mistakes.... repeat them.
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post #538 of 1105
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Here is what you did from my point of view. You bought a kit that was not on the QVL for the motherboard and being disappointed that it didn't run at rated speeds you tried a beta bios which went very badly ( which has happened on about any brand of board out there with this platform). You then bought a cheap ddr4 kit rated that IS on the QVL but only rated for 2400 mhz operation and you are once again disappointed because it only runs at .... 2400mhz

People that take responsibility for failures - learn , people who think they are above making mistakes.... repeat them.

You are again taking it out of context and twisting the meaning.
1. I purchased a memory kit with the board BEFORE there was a QVL even published, based on information provided by AMD themselves, who should know
2. I was not disappointed that it would not run at rated speed, it didn't run at ANY speed.
3. The beta bios in my case did NOT go badly at all, it just wasn't any better than the original 1.1
4. the g.skill fortis kit was NOT on the QVL when I bought it, but it does work. I am not disappointed the 2400 kit does not run faster, I bought it to use for now until things are better.
5. I do have a kit of 3200 memory, and am waiting until the AGESA and bios are updated properly before I try again.
post #539 of 1105
Yeah when we can finally tone down command rate to 2T, I expect many of these memory issues will evaporate. That and adjusting the base clock... I'd like to see Ryzen with 4000MHz DDR4.
post #540 of 1105
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Here is what you did from my point of view. You bought a kit that was not on the QVL for the motherboard and being disappointed that it didn't run at rated speeds you tried a beta bios which went very badly ( which has happened on about any brand of board out there with this platform). You then bought a cheap ddr4 kit rated that IS on the QVL but only rated for 2400 mhz operation and you are once again disappointed because it only runs at .... 2400mhz

People that take responsibility for failures - learn , people who think they are above making mistakes.... repeat them.

You are again taking it out of context and twisting the meaning.
1. I purchased a memory kit with the board BEFORE there was a QVL even published, based on information provided by AMD themselves, who should know
2. I was not disappointed that it would not run at rated speed, it didn't run at ANY speed.
3. The beta bios in my case did NOT go badly at all, it just wasn't any better than the original 1.1
4. the g.skill fortis kit was NOT on the QVL when I bought it, but it does work. I am not disappointed the 2400 kit does not run faster, I bought it to use for now until things are better.
5. I do have a kit of 3200 memory, and am waiting until the AGESA and bios are updated properly before I try again.

1. Who is responsible for taking a leap of faith purchasing ram before a QVL is out for the motherboard they plan to use?
2. If it didn't work, how did you flash to the beta bios?
3. Who is responsible for trying a beta bios that killed one of your sticks?
4. Only certified to work at 2400mhz - you can hope for more, but you can't expect it.
5 . Is the 3200 mhz kit on the QVL? The one you originally tried is not, nor were there ANY cl 16 3200 kits listed on the QVL the last time I looked.

I see far too many "blame the hardware " types around here - gets old.
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