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If there is issues that can't be fixed with a bios update wouldn't they have to replace boards? I have yet to have an issue but i will take a revision lol.

It depends on the issue. Not necessarily. Most MB revisions are minor tweaks to resolve uncommon issues or things users would never notice. But if it has a direct impact, there could be a warrant claim under the Implied Warranty of merchantability.
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I've run 4 ghz+ with 2x8 cl 14 1T @ 3200 mhz since the second boot on bios 1.1...... the board does not need a bios update to run fast and stable - it's as simple as that.

Your anecdotal evidence is not proof.



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I've been running 4150 mhz as a daily clock for a couple weeks now - still on bios 1.1 - see no reason to update - don't want to screw things up.

I'm no genius ( ask around ) I simply studied the components before purchasing them and what do you know.... it worked out pretty well.... imagine that.
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I've been running 4150 mhz as a daily clock for a couple weeks now - still on bios 1.1 - see no reason to update - don't want to screw things up.

I'm no genius ( ask around ) I simply studied the components before purchasing them and what do you know.... it worked out pretty well.... imagine that.

Your stories really don't help at all though. I can do the same thing:


Even here's my ram:


And here it is on the QVL list:


So yeah, I'm really failing to see how it is my fault that I can't make RAM run at the rated speed on the sticks. This exact kit worked for me 1st boot on a Gigabyte Gaming 5, which I would probably still have right now except that it died on me in less than 48 hours. However, with this board, I have yet to actually get to POST with the memory multiplier at 32.

MSI showed us BCLK overclocking in their 1.41 beta, and now that's even gone too. Last week on their forums the mods were swearing up and down that "we will have update this week, Monday at the very latest!" And look now, Tuesday is over and no updates. Don't worry though, MSI has managed to launch about 15 more AM4 boards in this time.
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Your stories really don't help at all though. I can do the same thing:


Even here's my ram:


And here it is on the QVL list:


So yeah, I'm really failing to see how it is my fault that I can't make RAM run at the rated speed on the sticks. This exact kit worked for me 1st boot on a Gigabyte Gaming 5, which I would probably still have right now except that it died on me in less than 48 hours. However, with this board, I have yet to actually get to POST with the memory multiplier at 32.

MSI showed us BCLK overclocking in their 1.41 beta, and now that's even gone too. Last week on their forums the mods were swearing up and down that "we will have update this week, Monday at the very latest!" And look now, Tuesday is over and no updates. Don't worry though, MSI has managed to launch about 15 more AM4 boards in this time.

Does it show the ram and all the proper settings for it in the bios as listed on the ram?
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Does it show the ram and all the proper settings for it in the bios as listed on the ram?
Of course it does. I have tried using A-XMP, manual, 1.4V DRAM voltage, 1.2 SOC voltage, auto SOC voltage, 1.1V SOC voltage, loosening timings, etc. The board cannot even get to turning on the display with multiplier any higher than 29.33.
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I've been running 4150 mhz as a daily clock for a couple weeks now - still on bios 1.1 - see no reason to update - don't want to screw things up.

I'm no genius ( ask around ) I simply studied the components before purchasing them and what do you know.... it worked out pretty well.... imagine that.

Your stories really don't help at all though. I can do the same thing:


Even here's my ram:


And here it is on the QVL list:


So yeah, I'm really failing to see how it is my fault that I can't make RAM run at the rated speed on the sticks. This exact kit worked for me 1st boot on a Gigabyte Gaming 5, which I would probably still have right now except that it died on me in less than 48 hours. However, with this board, I have yet to actually get to POST with the memory multiplier at 32.

MSI showed us BCLK overclocking in their 1.41 beta, and now that's even gone too. Last week on their forums the mods were swearing up and down that "we will have update this week, Monday at the very latest!" And look now, Tuesday is over and no updates. Don't worry though, MSI has managed to launch about 15 more AM4 boards in this time.


I don't think your kit is on the QVL.
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New member. Hi!

Building my first water-cooled rig with the MSO X370 Titanium with a Ryzen 1800 CPU in a Corsair Crystal x570 case. I am cooling the CPU, GPU and RAM with a top and a front Rad.

My question is, for those who have their loop built, how did you run it? With my case, the pump/reservoir will have to be to the right of the Mobo. The CPU is in the center of the Mobo with the RAM between the CPU and the reservoir. And the GPU is in the PCI slot just beneath both of them.

I am trying to go Pump>CPU>Res1>RAM>GPU>Res2>Pump. At least I think that should be the order. I can't seem to get it worked out without tubes crossing a bit. Is that a big deal? I think it will make the loop look cluttered, but IDK.

Any ideas or pictures of your loop on this Mobo that could help?

It is generally counter productive to use 2 res like that unless you mean reads? It is recommended that you go res to pump ( to pump, to pump ) brood that generally loop order should be determined by distance away (do the closest next
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My fault. I had a brain cloud and typed Res when I meant Rad. There is one reservoir/pump and two radiators. I apologize for the confusion.
np i screwed up mine too due to FFS ( fat finger syndrome ) and auto correct
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I've run 4 ghz+ with 2x8 cl 14 1T @ 3200 mhz since the second boot on bios 1.1...... the board does not need a bios update to run fast and stable - it's as simple as that.

Your anecdotal evidence is not proof.

ok heres my hynix

stable since as well
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I've run 4 ghz+ with 2x8 cl 14 1T @ 3200 mhz since the second boot on bios 1.1...... the board does not need a bios update to run fast and stable - it's as simple as that.

I agree with that. Since day 1 with people having ram issues especially on the chv6, i spent some time nailing down what ram kits are samsung before making my purchase. So i don't feel bad about those having issues with it. No offense, but if i can spend a few hrs on google and figure it out, anyone can. But if new code has some form of performance gain, i will take it when it is available. I am not upset at msi for taking the time on releasing an update if it is implemented with no drawbacks.
wow... look at that
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Update # 1

Microcode used in latest bios for b350 line is; same microcode version as the Titanium's now defunct 1.41 beta which was microcode 800111c

This is from AGESA 1.0.0.3......W~T~F MSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what the mods said on MSI forum about AMD code being dodgy so they pulled all the beta bios was a croc of C~R~A~P in light of the fact that they have now gone and released bios based on that same code.

Wish I could post on those forums I'd stick it to them so hard after this revelation. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

There are already comments about just that starting to fly on that forum. Not seeing much in the way of responses from the mods yet...but they are MSI shills anyway (they can deny all they want, but their behavior and attitude says otherwise).

I am still happy with *the motherboard*, but they have already released at least 2 updated revisions of this board based on part numbers so I want to know if the few issues I have seen can be resolved with BIOS updates...

any links to said comments. --the mods may or may not be correct, maybe it interacted badly with the msi bios? maybe their original file was corrupted ?

see where i am going with this ?
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I've run 4 ghz+ with 2x8 cl 14 1T @ 3200 mhz since the second boot on bios 1.1...... the board does not need a bios update to run fast and stable - it's as simple as that.

To be fair, and complete, what that actually means is the board doesn't need a BIOS update to run at those speeds *with the specific components* you selected. It's rather disingenuous to extrapolate your experience to a general statement since we have all heard multiple reports of users having trouble running their memory above 2400 and sometimes above 2133.
that the entire am4 generation has had to deal with ? nah not at all acceptable ( takes off sarcasm hat )
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I've been running 4150 mhz as a daily clock for a couple weeks now - still on bios 1.1 - see no reason to update - don't want to screw things up.

I'm no genius ( ask around ) I simply studied the components before purchasing them and what do you know.... it worked out pretty well.... imagine that.

Your stories really don't help at all though. I can do the same thing:


Even here's my ram:


And here it is on the QVL list:


So yeah, I'm really failing to see how it is my fault that I can't make RAM run at the rated speed on the sticks. This exact kit worked for me 1st boot on a Gigabyte Gaming 5, which I would probably still have right now except that it died on me in less than 48 hours. However, with this board, I have yet to actually get to POST with the memory multiplier at 32.

MSI showed us BCLK overclocking in their 1.41 beta, and now that's even gone too. Last week on their forums the mods were swearing up and down that "we will have update this week, Monday at the very latest!" And look now, Tuesday is over and no updates. Don't worry though, MSI has managed to launch about 15 more AM4 boards in this time.

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Originally Posted by motoray View Post

Does it show the ram and all the proper settings for it in the bios as listed on the ram?
Of course it does. I have tried using A-XMP, manual, 1.4V DRAM voltage, 1.2 SOC voltage, auto SOC voltage, 1.1V SOC voltage, loosening timings, etc. The board cannot even get to turning on the display with multiplier any higher than 29.33.


first i have yet to see a-xmp ever work properly for any board, giga, asus or msi

second throwing volts does not mean it will work. you cant beat everything with a hammer and hope it works when your done. some things take finesse
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

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I've been running 4150 mhz as a daily clock for a couple weeks now - still on bios 1.1 - see no reason to update - don't want to screw things up.

I'm no genius ( ask around ) I simply studied the components before purchasing them and what do you know.... it worked out pretty well.... imagine that.

Your stories really don't help at all though. I can do the same thing:


Even here's my ram:


And here it is on the QVL list:


So yeah, I'm really failing to see how it is my fault that I can't make RAM run at the rated speed on the sticks. This exact kit worked for me 1st boot on a Gigabyte Gaming 5, which I would probably still have right now except that it died on me in less than 48 hours. However, with this board, I have yet to actually get to POST with the memory multiplier at 32.

MSI showed us BCLK overclocking in their 1.41 beta, and now that's even gone too. Last week on their forums the mods were swearing up and down that "we will have update this week, Monday at the very latest!" And look now, Tuesday is over and no updates. Don't worry though, MSI has managed to launch about 15 more AM4 boards in this time.


I don't think your kit is on the QVL.
the PNs do look different dont they- they do look like bdie though
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The individual stick has an 8, the kit is 2x8 therefore 16GVK. I even still have the packaging that clearly has F4-3200C14-16GVK stamped on it.

Also what's this about voltage not helping? To be honest I don't know much about memory overclocking, but have never had any troubles getting RAM to run at spec in previous builds.
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Just because you buy a g.skill kit labeled c14 doesn't mean you will get samsung b-die. For that matter, the specific preferences of a given board shouldn't limit you to just one choice of ram chip to get it running at higher speeds. If they did that, it shuts out a huge portion of the choices to a consumer. To be functioning correctly, these boards should run hynix and samsung equally well at higher speeds.
This constant fanboy attitude towards MSI is a load of crap. There are problems many are facing, and you continue to look down your noses at those of us facing issues. Anyone with experience dealing with a variety of boards are all right here noting how crappy the bios is, and the support provided to date. Maybe it will come, maybe it won't.

What I have learned from the experience is stay away for several months after a launch before buying, so you can make a better choice up front, instead of preordering at launch before there are even QVL listed. Yeah, that's on me for knowing better and doing it anyways.

But even doing a little research you can end up hosed, and you just happened to get lucky. Next time try being helpful when people are having issues, instead of sarcastically implying you are the fount of truth about crappy MSI support. This is the first and last MSI product I will ever purchase.
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AMD AGESA updates are supposed to improve performance and fix bugs ultimately resulting in improved system stability, compatibility, functionality and performance.

AMD have been rolling out the updated code to all vendors and all vendors have implemented the code in consecutive bios updates up to current AGESA build 1.0.0.4x

Titanium is still on AGESA 1.0.0.0 and this is MSI's official stance on the matter so far and I quote from my most recent correspondence with them from today;

Ticket:
AMD release AGESA 1.0.0.4 bios updates

Content:
We do not mean to release the BIOS immediately,BIOS is not finished yet,please be patient and please pay attention to the bios at MSI Website.


This ^ two week after AMD released AGESA 1.0.0.4x to manufactures that had the following fixes;

BIOSes based on this new code will have four important improvements for you
1/ We have reduced DRAM latency by approximately 6ns. This can result in higher performance for latency-sensitive applications.
2/ We resolved a condition where an unusual FMA3 code sequence could cause a system hang.
3/ We resolved the “overclock sleep bug” where an incorrect CPU frequency could be reported after resuming from S3 sleep.
4/ AMD Ryzen™ Master no longer requires the High-Precision Event Timer (HPET).

And still MSI refuse to roll out a bios including these updates for the Titanium, a premium priced product with disdainfully inadequate support. The way things are panning out with this motherboard users will be left wanting way behind the other vendors premium products update cycles.
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