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Just because you buy a g.skill kit labeled c14 doesn't mean you will get samsung b-die. For that matter, the specific preferences of a given board shouldn't limit you to just one choice of ram chip to get it running at higher speeds. If they did that, it shuts out a huge portion of the choices to a consumer. To be functioning correctly, these boards should run hynix and samsung equally well at higher speeds.
This constant fanboy attitude towards MSI is a load of crap. There are problems many are facing, and you continue to look down your noses at those of us facing issues. Anyone with experience dealing with a variety of boards are all right here noting how crappy the bios is, and the support provided to date. Maybe it will come, maybe it won't.

What I have learned from the experience is stay away for several months after a launch before buying, so you can make a better choice up front, instead of preordering at launch before there are even QVL listed. Yeah, that's on me for knowing better and doing it anyways.

But even doing a little research you can end up hosed, and you just happened to get lucky. Next time try being helpful when people are having issues, instead of sarcastically implying you are the fount of truth about crappy MSI support. This is the first and last MSI product I will ever purchase.

You'd be a lot better off if you took responsibility for your failures.
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You'd be a lot better off if you took responsibility for your failures.

You really need to learn to read, because I took responsibility for my issues, but it doesn't excuse MSI, and your attitude about it is extremely insulting.
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You'd be a lot better off if you took responsibility for your failures.

You really need to learn to read, because I took responsibility for my issues, but it doesn't excuse MSI, and your attitude about it is extremely insulting.

I'm simply trying to help you avoid making mistakes in the future.
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Msi launch still went nowhere even close to as bad as asus. Sure maybe asus is doing better with mem now. See how stoked half the ppl who had to rma the mobo are about mem compatibility. I planned on getting a different board but simply this board had far less issues than any other board at launch. I even ignored the "ryzen likes even number ram timing nonsense" and went straight for the best bang for buck samsung mem i could find. So no maybe this doesnt help you with your memory issues but what would you like? I need to find you samsung mem? Literally a handfull of ppl on here complaining, asus thread was over 100pages of rage before i said f that and went msi.
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The individual stick has an 8, the kit is 2x8 therefore 16GVK. I even still have the packaging that clearly has F4-3200C14-16GVK stamped on it.

Also what's this about voltage not helping? To be honest I don't know much about memory overclocking, but have never had any troubles getting RAM to run at spec in previous builds.

F4-3200C14-16GVK is not on the qvl fyi that said afaik 3200 cl 14 ( from gskill ) is bdie

what i ment was you cant always over volt stuff and expect it to work . as a matter of fact lots of stuff wont work with too much voltage
ill have to reboot, when i have a moment, but i set timings manually and then started upping voltage. including a secondary ram voltage that needs to be exactly half of the ram voltage ( or a LITTLE more )


so much wrong with this next quote . whether or not you like msi is not the point so ill break it down
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Just because you buy a g.skill kit labeled c14 doesn't mean you will get samsung b-die.
as far as i know and from everything recommended in the ryzen thread any gskill 3200 and above @ cl 14 ( @ 3200 ) is bdie ---- again gskill only
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For that matter, the specific preferences of a given board shouldn't limit you to just one choice of ram chip to get it running at higher speeds. If they did that, it shuts out a huge portion of the choices to a consumer. To be functioning correctly, these boards should run hynix and samsung equally well at higher speeds.
has near nothing to do with boards and more to do with BIOS and microcode - you can say asus has " better support " as ythey have thrown more band-aids at it.... ironically i think asus has shown more support - simply put they have active ( in the ocing communities ) members .... but that is about all. we did have beta bios .... but they were beta asus has always been more forth coming with updates, maybe after the last debacle ( you and everyone else would cry and moan about how crappy msi is, if they released a bios that bricked your board. ) it may be they just dont mind having issues, maybe msi wants more testing. esp after that last issue-- that said IDK but i am giving them the benefit of the doubt
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This constant fanboy attitude towards MSI is a load of crap.
yea i only own 2 msi products
excuse me 3- 1 laptop, 1 b350 mobo which frankly was a rock could run super low timings @ 2933- and possibly 3200 idk * which is now sitting in its box waiting for a new zen * and my titanium
i have 5 giga boards 2 intel boards and 4 or 5 asus.... waiting for a formula before i buy asus - asus frankly is my goto
i just have a better understanding on how this buissness works, apparently
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There are problems many are facing, and you continue to look down your noses at those of us facing issues.
never looked down my nose. i simply state bluntly the facts. there is no attitude inferred or intended, and going further any that you feel is directed toward you is done so out of your own insecurities.

i will say this this one time. i am blunt. i state exactly what i mean. period. i dont have the time for the drama or pc ( political correctness )junk.

dont believe me ? think i am lying ? go read the 83xx club and you will see exactly what i mean- i always talk and act just like this -
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Anyone with experience dealing with a variety of boards are all right here noting how crappy the bios is,
ok so you agree with me ?
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and the support provided to date. Maybe it will come, maybe it won't.
nothing to note.
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What I have learned from the experience is stay away for several months after a launch before buying, so you can make a better choice up front, instead of preordering at launch before there are even QVL listed. Yeah, that's on me for knowing better and doing it anyways.
early adopting any completely new tech is prone to issues. maybe you dont remember the other launches because well... intel has not had anything truely new in how many years ??
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But even doing a little research you can end up hosed, and you just happened to get lucky.
no i didnt i worked hard. spent some time and obtained an understanding of this chip. just like what we tell people in the 83xx thread. amd isnt intel. i had my intel oc finished in less then 2 hours of work ( not including stressing ) - my amdS all took months each

i expect nothing less with this
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Next time try being helpful when people are having issues,
i am willing to help anyone, but you can not fill a cup that is overflowing
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instead of sarcastically implying you are the fount of truth about crappy MSI support. This is the first and last MSI product I will ever purchase.
your loss. they make solid products... and great service after sale ( warranty )

lastly as it really applies to all the above.- 3200 is NOT a guarantee. amd only supports IIRC 2666- anything more is oc and if i am remembering the correct number, 3200 would be an OVERCLOCK which is NOT guaranteed

edit fixed the quotes ....
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ITs all good.

MSI are taking their time, good for them.
Some of you were not making you builds in the 1st week the boards and CPUs came out and so you benefited from the people who worked out the issue with non Samsung memory, good for you

I just finished my rebuild using an asus crosshair and now my 3600 ram is ticking over at.... 3600. click click BANG
Best I could get out of it on the MSI was 2133

would have cost me 2x more to replace the ram if I could even find a 32gig kit that would run at 3600

if and WHEN MSI get their %$#@ together I will rebuild with the xPower because the asus is UGLY
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Msi official bios 1.3 for B350 line just bricked it's first B350 Tomahawk ; https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284811.0

Don't worry the way things are going with MSI bios they will soon have a worse rep than Asus had with their beta bricking bios....only difference, Asus fixed the issue promptly whereas MSI probably doesn't have a clue one way or the other. doh.gif
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Msi official bios 1.3 for B350 line just bricked it's first B350 Tomahawk ; https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284811.0

Don't worry the way things are going with MSI bios they will soon have a worse rep than Asus had with their beta bricking bios....only difference, Asus fixed the issue promptly whereas MSI probably doesn't have a clue one way or the other. doh.gif

You are absolutely correct. Just because some characters here have done well on their boards does not give them the right to be holier than thou. Fact is that AMD recognizes issues with motherboard bios across the industry dealing with both stability and memory through[put. Fact is that MSI has been the slowest in issuing bios updates based on Agesa code that AMD has provided to all Ryzen board manufacturers.The fact I an not able to run 4 dimms at faster than 2400mhz even though they are B-die chips is a legitimate issue. Don't belittle and point fingers at those who have such issues. Not everyone has extra money to throw around to buy the most compatible memory. One should NOT have to search 2 dozen places to find the "right" memory for Ryzen. No one had to do that with Pilderiver. AMD wants to take market share from Intel. AMD and its partners can not afford to inflict too much pain in Ryzen adoption or else damage will occur to Ryzen's image. You guys can stonewall all you want for MSI but most people are not interested in being boot lickers but having a positive experience with Ryzen. They should NOT have to be techies or obsessive geeks to have such an experience. So lay off the arrogance and extend a friendly hand here. MSI is far from faultless on support issues.
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Msi official bios 1.3 for B350 line just bricked it's first B350 Tomahawk ; https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284811.0

Don't worry the way things are going with MSI bios they will soon have a worse rep than Asus had with their beta bricking bios....only difference, Asus fixed the issue promptly whereas MSI probably doesn't have a clue one way or the other. doh.gif

I don't know if you've notice, but the forum mods purges most of the comments from the Beta BIOS discussion. They reduced almost 17 pages of comments down to about 4...
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I don't know if you've notice, but the forum mods purges most of the comments from the Beta BIOS discussion. They reduced almost 17 pages of comments down to about 4...


Yeah I just took a look, that's pretty indicative of MSI right now.....in denial and lets sweep the whole issue under the carpet rolleyes.gif. And regarding the whole Samsung b-die scenario, well you can't even purchase any of that stuff here in AUS atm and realistically it shouldn't make any difference whether it's Samsung or Hynix chips!...if they are rated at 3200MHz they should just work and same goes for all rated 2666MHz and 3000MHz kits. This is a bios issue full stop which is evident by the fact that some vendors boards are running certain Hynix kits at varying frequencies while other vendors...cough...MSI can only run them at 2133MHz.

Example my 2 x 16GB 3000MHz Corsair dual rank Hynix sticks, on every MSI Titanium bios they will only run at 2133MHz and it's pushing s~h~i~t uphill to get them to go higher. HELLO beta 1.4x and low and behold boot up fine at 2666MHz with 1.2v yet with every other bios that setting would cause the 6 beep squeal of complaint. blushsmiley.gif

The whole ram thing is a bios issue and MSI can't seem to get out of the quagmire doh.gif
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