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Fyi, amd does mitt do 4dimms at above 2400 (Again going from memory) 4 dimms is 2400 and 2 is 2666 over that is considered OVERCLOCKING as too be frank with everyone complaining about this, it is the sane with Intel. Period. as for the rest out your complaint see below
I seriously don't get what is so hard for you guys to understand.

Memory, as we knife it, with few exceptions were tuned and made for Intel.

This us mitt a "and issue" all silicone has been like this since the beginning.

We have been lucky. The Intel chips although advertised as new, aren't. They are excessively old. So yes we have been spoiled.


Maybe we can user other memory with updated code, maybe not. Either way it is on YOU as you seen to not understand how a new product works in the tech world. If you expected 100% refinement then frankly your expectations are completely unrealistic amd and can't fix you.

People need to take personas responsibility, and have REASONABLE expectations.

Most all of you turned your back on amd and they almost went under. Frankly I am amazed they made it this far.. able to even out a fight up to Intel.

And at stock (You know, before you change settings) it sounds like your ram boots at, so be happy.

@Tyranids I have not forgot just bust with the family, gang in there and i will post what I did

Sorry, but you don't understand as much as you seem to think. The *chips* used on the Intel and AMD certified DIMMs are the SAME (Samsung, or Hynix, or whomever). The difference is the stored profiles. That is EASY to overcome *if* we are either given more control over the memory timings or the MB manufacturer updates their BIOS to apply their ow overriding profile. Those DIMMS that work just happen to have internal profile settings that map properly (either directly or via BIOS adjustments) and hence run properly. This is a simplification, but is essentially the issue. I *know* the IC's on my DIMMs work fine, but they will not run beyond specific speeds no matter what I do simply due to the BIOS and AMD has been releasing updates that address many of these issues. MSI still has yet to make ANY of those updates available on the Titanium. That is simply unacceptable given how long we have had to sit on the INITIAL AGESA code release.

Then there is also the issue of actual *bug fixes* in the AGESA updates we have been deprived of which causes a hard crash (infrequent, but I have encountered it).

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O I understand, I also know how too fix. I also know why almost all ram is " certified for ivy " " certified for Intel" ECT. Because it IS NOT the same.

Memory is memory but pcbs may differ to offer different resistances, timing, voltages.... ect
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What you are saying is riculous. Why was I able on Piledriver to run 4 dimms at 2400mhz with ddr3 and with ddr4 not over 2400mhz. Either the IMC is for **** or the bios is too limiting. And whether or Not Intel guarantees overclocking of memory in the vast majority of cases it works.These issues should not be burned into stone on this hardware. It is a sign of either poor design of memory controller or microcode. If this issue is not improved considerably by bios revision it will be a black eye for AMD and its partners.

What Mega Man is saying is correct. The official 7700k ark page lists DDR4 support for 2133 and 2400mhz only. Furthermore, take any high end board from the z270 line, and you can see that Frequencies above 2400 are always noted that they are not officially supported; ASUS Z270E Strix product pages even lists the memory support in the main specifications as to not mislead.

People are being highly unrealistic with DDR4 support on Ryzen, and also seem to avoid doing any kind of research into advancements that have been made since launch, simply complaining about "poor support/imcs". Looking at the flip-side, there are users on this very forum runing 4x8gb kits of 3200mhz DDR4. Be patient, and do your research.

Some are now running 32gb (2x16!!!!) I mean come on. While not everyone can. And there will be differences, he is not special. He worked hard to do it
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O I understand, I also know how too fix. I also know why almost all ram is " certified for ivy " " certified for Intel" ECT. Because it IS NOT the same.

Memory is memory but pcbs may differ to offer different resistances, timing, voltages.... ect
Some are now running 32gb (2x16!!!!) I mean come on. While not everyone can. And there will be differences, he is not special. He worked hard to do it
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I never denied the legal correctness of what you said. The problems with memory are far too widespread to be an accident ,an oversight. I sugqest the design of the IMC on Ryzen. Perhaps some of the problem will be alleviated by bios and microcode revision. But I suspect Ryzen will never be able tor run 4 dimms at their rated speeds. That is a design limitaion that is inexcusable. You are content with the crumbs that are thrown to you. I want to run 32 GB memory so that I can cache my web browsers and have a large ram drive for fast software installations and faster running of certain other programs.The IMC on piledriver was not good, apparently the IMC on Ryzen still needs work too.
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Hey guys i just bought a msi x370 and i have problems log in the bios the motherboard doenst even start. Do you have any ideas about the problem?
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O I understand, I also know how too fix. I also know why almost all ram is " certified for ivy " " certified for Intel" ECT. Because it IS NOT the same.

Memory is memory but pcbs may differ to offer different resistances, timing, voltages.... ect
Some are now running 32gb (2x16!!!!) I mean come on. While not everyone can. And there will be differences, he is not special. He worked hard to do it
....

I never denied the legal correctness of what you said. The problems with memory are far too widespread to be an accident ,an oversight. I sugqest the design of the IMC on Ryzen. Perhaps some of the problem will be alleviated by bios and microcode revision. But I suspect Ryzen will never be able tor run 4 dimms at their rated speeds. That is a design limitaion that is inexcusable. You are content with the crumbs that are thrown to you. I want to run 32 GB memory so that I can cache my web browsers and have a large ram drive for fast software installations and faster running of certain other programs.The IMC on piledriver was not good, apparently the IMC on Ryzen still needs work too.
So again, you had unrealistic expectations ( another example is 2400/2666 on Sandy bridge. Feel free to try it. ) just because your memory can run that speed, you need your motherboard and your chip to be able to as well. Just because you bought it, does not mean anything. Thay would be like saying well I bought the engine that can do 10krpm. So i can now do 10k rpm all day long no. You need an adequate cooling system, transmission, chassis...... ect

That said, again some are ruining 2x16gb And others 4x8 at 3200 so I, still don't see the problem. Do you have miss match kits ? Ie do you have more then 1
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Hey guys i just bought a msi x370 and i have problems log in the bios the motherboard doenst even start. Do you have any ideas about the problem?

We would need more info but I gave seen several motherboards not boot due to too much pressure from the heat sink
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Hey guys i just bought a msi x370 and i have problems log in the bios the motherboard doenst even start. Do you have any ideas about the problem?

Does it not power up at all or not post?

Edit. As stated above we need more info. What cooler ect.
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Hey guys i just bought a msi x370 and i have problems log in the bios the motherboard doenst even start. Do you have any ideas about the problem?

The Titanium has status lights in the side near with memory slots. It also had a 2-digit display that would give any error codes. Information on those - what they are showing or not showing would be helpful.

Don't use the onboard HDMI connector as it is non-functional with Ryzen (have to mention it as more than a few people have made that mistake...)
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A user on the MSI forums posted about an official MSI X370 Titanium beta bios 1.45 released yesterday and gave the link to download the bios......mod swiftly removed the link and closed the thread....looks like the mods there won't be putting up any more betas. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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I have a mastercase 5 pro and a masterwatt 1200 gskill 3200 c14 corsair h110 for cooling and the ryzen 1800x. I try to power up with just the motherboard just to see if its working and it doenst display me anything on the screen then i try cpu and gpu on and again nothing. I dont know if i am doing something wrong or what but i have check everything else on another motherboard and they are working (expect the cpu cause i dont have any friends with ryzen builds yet).
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A user on the MSI forums posted about an official MSI X370 Titanium beta bios 1.45 released yesterday and gave the link to download the bios......mod swiftly removed the link and closed the thread....looks like the mods there won't be putting up any more betas. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Saw that. It's one thing for THEM to not be allowed, but to shut down users who link to *official* MSI sites is absurd. That forum is a joke.

The other issue this raises is - why the hell are we only seeing another *BETA* BIOS when the B350 boards all seemed to have gotten new *official* releases? And BETA 1.45? 1.43 was pulled two weeks ago? Are they even trying? Seriously? ***?
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So I haven't pulled the trigger yet on a Ryzen system, but I'm going to within the next month. What's the verdict on this board....and others if you're able to comment??
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