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X370 Titanium VRM analysis is up; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6LP9glKmc

Little dissapointing to be honest considering the premium pricetag. It will do the job but..... meh rolleyes.gif
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He didn't say it was bad, just should have been better considering the price point. I don't personally think it's as big an issue as some are making out. Especially since we know the headroom on ryzen is so limited to begin with. Now later generations may be another story, but even then, there should be more than enough capacity in the vrm. MSI should pay heed though, because they really under delivered considering the price they are charging for this board.
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Sparkley techno pron
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Is there any significance to this other than a "cool factor" for getting that level of zoom on the tiny resistor?

None, just thought it was "purty" smile.gif
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I would love to hear MSI's response if there is one. I am not big brained anough to understand impacts with an OC Ryzen.
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X370 Titanium VRM analysis is up; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6LP9glKmc

Little dissapointing to be honest considering the premium pricetag. It will do the job but..... meh rolleyes.gif

I responded in the AM4 VRM thread. His analysis is skewed. He significantly over states other boards capabilities compared to this. Either he cannot read a spec sheet or he has a BIAS.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624051/vrm-on-the-new-am4-motherboards/920#post_26022051


http://www.overclock.net/t/1624051/vrm-on-the-new-am4-motherboards/920#post_26022368
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None, just thought it was "purty" smile.gif

Thought that might be the case. I am pretty impressed with how close they get the titanium coating to the solder points. That's pretty damned precise since I am all but certain that coating is conductive.
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I was thinking the same.

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He is correct about what parts it is equipped with, but they won't be a limiting factor on any of the current AM4 cpu overclocks.

He did use 125 C examples which I think would be quite impossible to reach on the Titanium ( 48 C in the example below) .

I flashed my Titanium to a new bios today and started working my way back to a daily overclock - here is an example of temps etc on the Titanium at 4100mhz during prime 95 blend.


I looked at the screenshots you linked, very closely.

To be honest I'm impressed:

222 watts load on the CPU, but your v.core only moved by 8 milli volts (between min and maximum) at that load.

That looks pretty smooth to me.

I'd love to put that board under LN2 to see if it still holds up. (just pure curiosity).

Due to CPU's all being more energy efficient these days, motherboards should really be getting cheaper.
VRM's don't need to be as beefy.

(That 222 watt load was at (I presume) your maximum overclock).

Compare the TDP of the 1800x of 95 watts (or 65 watts of 1700) with 220 watts of the FX-9590.

Then you realise, VRM's only need to be half the size.

Prices we are paying should reflect this; but unfortunately its actually getting worse (more expensive), not cheaper.

Profit margins of these companies must be looking pretty healthy just now. Unfortunately at our cost.

Hopefully that's the point buildzoid (and gamers-nexus) was trying to convey in that video.

It's a good board, just the price is unreasonable for a 6+2.

I love how cost is now reflected in the vrms, if you think the vrms make the overall cost of the board then .. sure the you tube guy is right (cause everything in the internet is true right? )

There's r and d, which the more complex the board is the more it costs.

There's new tech. The more new stuff it has (ie u2, m.2, leds, knobs, buttons, and features ) the higher the cost.

There's further development costs ( you really think bios updates are free? )

Warranty (yep, we pay for it)

Support.


Ect ect ect. Frankly the vrms are provably one of the cheapest parts to worry about

And again the titanium vrms are plenty good enough

There's a point where overkill has no point this coming from the guy who had 5 480s in one build. But for me that overkill wad tv's point, so no i don't feel bad....
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I responded in the AM4 VRM thread. His analysis is skewed. He significantly over states other boards capabilities compared to this. Either he cannot read a spec sheet or he has a BIAS.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624051/vrm-on-the-new-am4-motherboards/920#post_26022051


http://www.overclock.net/t/1624051/vrm-on-the-new-am4-motherboards/920#post_26022368

Well this board still holds the highest clocks on ocn. So its adequate. I agree its no cool that the most expensive board does not have the best vrm.... But it works.
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Well this board still holds the highest clocks on ocn. So its adequate. I agree its no cool that the most expensive board does not have the best vrm.... But it works.

But if I read that spec sheet correctly, those "better" VRM hit one hell of a wall at 100c, so you had better not push them too hard or had better have really good cooling. Maybe that is why they use so many phases - they have to in order to keep temps down low enough so it functions as intended. The devil is in the details. The "best" is often not universal...or a singular answer.
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X370 Titanium VRM analysis is up; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6LP9glKmc

Little dissapointing to be honest considering the premium pricetag. It will do the job but..... meh rolleyes.gif

I responded in the AM4 VRM thread. His analysis is skewed. He significantly over states other boards capabilities compared to this. Either he cannot read a spec sheet or he has a BIAS.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624051/vrm-on-the-new-am4-motherboards/920#post_26022051


http://www.overclock.net/t/1624051/vrm-on-the-new-am4-motherboards/920#post_26022368

What ??? Bias on GN ???? Surely you jest!

I'm all in favor of sharing information with the purpose of allowing people to make more informed purchases, but for heavens sake, keep all comparisons on the same playing field.

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None, just thought it was "purty" smile.gif

Thought that might be the case. I am pretty impressed with how close they get the titanium coating to the solder points. That's pretty damned precise since I am all but certain that coating is conductive.

I am impressed with build quality that's for sure - and that's one of the things to point to for cost justification.

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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

I was thinking the same.

Also
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by nrpeyton View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

He is correct about what parts it is equipped with, but they won't be a limiting factor on any of the current AM4 cpu overclocks.

He did use 125 C examples which I think would be quite impossible to reach on the Titanium ( 48 C in the example below) .

I flashed my Titanium to a new bios today and started working my way back to a daily overclock - here is an example of temps etc on the Titanium at 4100mhz during prime 95 blend.


I looked at the screenshots you linked, very closely.

To be honest I'm impressed:

222 watts load on the CPU, but your v.core only moved by 8 milli volts (between min and maximum) at that load.

That looks pretty smooth to me.

I'd love to put that board under LN2 to see if it still holds up. (just pure curiosity).

Due to CPU's all being more energy efficient these days, motherboards should really be getting cheaper.
VRM's don't need to be as beefy.

(That 222 watt load was at (I presume) your maximum overclock).

Compare the TDP of the 1800x of 95 watts (or 65 watts of 1700) with 220 watts of the FX-9590.

Then you realise, VRM's only need to be half the size.

Prices we are paying should reflect this; but unfortunately its actually getting worse (more expensive), not cheaper.

Profit margins of these companies must be looking pretty healthy just now. Unfortunately at our cost.

Hopefully that's the point buildzoid (and gamers-nexus) was trying to convey in that video.

It's a good board, just the price is unreasonable for a 6+2.

I love how cost is now reflected in the vrms, if you think the vrms make the overall cost of the board then .. sure the you tube guy is right (cause everything in the internet is true right? )

There's r and d, which the more complex the board is the more it costs.

There's new tech. The more new stuff it has (ie u2, m.2, leds, knobs, buttons, and features ) the higher the cost.

There's further development costs ( you really think bios updates are free? )

Warranty (yep, we pay for it)

Support.


Ect ect ect. Frankly the vrms are provably one of the cheapest parts to worry about

And again the titanium vrms are plenty good enough

There's a point where overkill has no point this coming from the guy who had 5 480s in one build. But for me that overkill wad tv's point, so no i don't feel bad....

Great points about warranty etc. earlier in the thread 3 years vs 1 on many competitors.
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