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Unless you read at socket with a DMM don't trust software readout.

If you set 1.4 volts then LLC level 1 will give you closest to 1.4 volts even if software is saying 1.44 volts or whatever. Been tested on Taichi to be the case.....yet to be confirmed on Titanium but LLC level 1 has always been the setting to give the most stable current to what has been set.
Edited by lowdog - 4/20/17 at 3:00am
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? I thought Msi llc was backwards?
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Originally Posted by lowdog View Post

Unless you read at socket with a DMM don't trust software readout.

If you set 1.4 volts then LLC level 1 will give you closest to 1.4 volts even if software is saying 1.44 volts or whatever. Been tested on Taichi to be the case.....yet to be confirmed on Titanium but LLC level 1 has always been the setting to give the most stable current to what has been set.

I keep hearing this but I don't buy it on Ryzen. Ryzen has an integrated coltage controller and the readings I am quoting are from the Ryzen chip. It is calibrated to AMD specs and consistent across all platforms. Other voltage readings, such as from the VRM, should be suspect.

"CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) value is the voltage measured by Voltage Regulator, which is supplied to the CPU (as VRM output). This voltage is then reported to CPU and evaluated using telemetry functions.
Vcore or VDDCR CPU is measurement of the same voltage rail, but by the mainboard logic (ITE chip).
I believe the SVI2 TFN values should be more accurate."

-HWinfo64 Author

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-Ryzen-CPU-Voltage-explanation
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? I thought Msi llc was backwards?

Not as far as I'm aware....LLC level 8 with MSI gives the most v droop.
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Originally Posted by TheOldTechGuru View Post

I keep hearing this but I don't buy it on Ryzen. Ryzen has an integrated coltage controller and the readings I am quoting are from the Ryzen chip. It is calibrated to AMD specs and consistent across all platforms. Other voltage readings, such as from the VRM, should be suspect.

"CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) value is the voltage measured by Voltage Regulator, which is supplied to the CPU (as VRM output). This voltage is then reported to CPU and evaluated using telemetry functions.
Vcore or VDDCR CPU is measurement of the same voltage rail, but by the mainboard logic (ITE chip).
I believe the SVI2 TFN values should be more accurate."

-HWinfo64 Author

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-Ryzen-CPU-Voltage-explanation


How can measuring with a DMM on the pad behind the socket where the voltage is going directly into the cpu at the closest point be inacurate! It would be the truest indication of what voltage is being fed to the chip! Compare this to what software is reading and you can the see how inacurate software readings can be.

Choose to believe what you want but when Raja from Asus who has an engineering background says to take DMM measurements form the socket for true voltage readings then I'll accept the readings coming from the DMM at that point over the readings from software, simple.
Edited by lowdog - 4/20/17 at 3:46pm
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Not as far as I'm aware....LLC level 8 with MSI gives the most v droop.
How can measuring with a DMM on the pad behing the socket where the voltage is going directly into the cpu at the closest point be inacurate! It would be the truest indication of what voltage is being fed to the chip! Compare this to what software is reading and you can the see how inacurate software readings can be.

Choose to believe what you want but when Raja from Asus who has an engineering background says to take DMM measurements form the socket for true voltage readings then I'll accept the readings coming from the DMM at that point over the readings from software, simple.

I am not saying taking the voltage at the chip is inaccurate, I am saying the reading from inside the chip is just as accurate. Unless you are claiming a company that can create an 8-core processor with built-in voltage regulation doesn't know how to design a circuit to read it's own voltage...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/03/amd-ryzen-review/

" SenseMI is simply five different features of Ryzen that focus on power, clock speeds, and shuffling data around as quickly as possible. The first, "Pure Power," is a set of temperature, clock speed, and voltage sensors (accurate to 1mA, 1mV, 1mW, and 1°C)..."


https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/PSA-AMD-XFR-Enabled-All-Ryzen-CPUs-X-SKUs-Have-Wider-Range

"With Ryzen AMD has embedded a number of sensors throughout the chip that accurately measure temperatures, clock speeds, and voltages within 1°C, 1mA, 1mW, 1mV and it has connected all the sensors together using its Infinity Fabric."
Edited by TheOldTechGuru - 4/20/17 at 3:40pm
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By the way.My system will power off by itself periodically although I have chosen the high performance power profile. Can anyone explain why this is happening. I see no error messages and no problems on reboot.
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are you sure it isnt sleep ?
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By the way.My system will power off by itself periodically although I have chosen the high performance power profile. Can anyone explain why this is happening. I see no error messages and no problems on reboot.

Stock clocks?
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Stock clocks?

I am at 3.85 GHZ.It has done this power off or sleep state no matter what my frequency has been.This is not a heat or voltage issue. My system runs around 49 Celcius and about 63 Celcius under full load. I rarely am under full load. It usually happens when I am at idle. Most often when I am away from the computer for sometime.
Edited by os2wiz - 4/21/17 at 6:36am
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I am at 3.85 GHZ.It has done this power off or sleep state no matter what my frequency has been.This is not a heat or voltage issue. My system runs around 49 Celcius and about 63 Celcius under full load. I rarely am under full load. It usually happens when I am at idle. Most often when I am away from the computer for sometime.

Have you tried put the cpu voltage just put up a bit??? If it's a windows issue?? use Windows Repair 3.9.27....
Helped me a lot with shutting down issues before......
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