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does anyone know what was changed in the beta? I see no difference so far

They generally aren't providing release notes. I was hoping with a 1.5x we would see BLCK back (not that I use it, but I know a number of people are waiting on it). I can see AGESA is the same version as 1.4, so all I know is they made at least some minor changes to memory behavior.

I am back at 3.9Ghz now, still running 3200 (with 2 DIMMS), which was better than I could get with 1.4
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I also do not see any differences in bios 1.52. However a user in the MSI forums mentioned it fixed some issues with low CPU clock speeds and low Cinebench scores.
 
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I think they either disabled a-xmp by default, or moved it somewhere else. On 1.52 I can load a profile that was saved with it enabled and it works, but no visible option to manually turn it on or off. or select it.
post #784 of 1077
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I also do not see any differences in bios 1.52. However a user in the MSI forums mentioned it fixed some issues with low CPU clock speeds and low Cinebench scores.

Some interesting notes I observed about 1.52 , which I wish to pass on. I installed it with the intention of seeing how it would handle 4 dimms. I had problems with it overclocking to 2400mhz on memory at first. Eventually I got smart enough to check power plan in control panel. Somehow it was at balanced though I had changed it to high performance several days ago. So I reset it at high performance again and I had no problem booting 2400mhz with 15-14-14-14 timings. My 1800X is at 3.86GHZ. So I tested both cpu-z and cinebench. I was surprised how high my open gl score was in cinebench with 32 GB slower 2400mhz memory vs the 3200mhz on 16GB memory .My old score on my Sapphire Nitro Fury was 114.5 fps. My new score with 1.52 bios was 125.4 fps. It is really insane that the bios update boosted this score in spite of running 4dimms at 2400mhz. I am going to swapout 2dimms and re test with 2 dimms with bios1.52 at 3200mhz . It should push cinebench open GL scores over 130fps. THis bodes well for Ryzen users if removing bios latencies can boost open GL by such a margin. I will get back to you guys in about an hour
Edited by os2wiz - 4/23/17 at 6:12pm
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I'm curious, with beta BIOS what are the results with 4 DRAM sticks?
I have 4x8GB (two Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 kits). Before upgrading BIOS (1.1) I was not able to get past the JEDEC's 2133. After upgrading to latest non-beta (7A31v14) I was able to use their 2666 MHz preset with 15-16-16-16-34 timings. I tried the 2933 one and it did not boot. The furthest I could push it with 1.4 is manually setting 2666 MHz and 14-15-15-15-33 timings:



That is with the CPU at 3.9 GHz / 1.365V and bumping up the NB Voltage to 1.1 and DRAM voltage to 1.36V.

Anything else I can try to either get better clocks on the memory or lower the timings?
post #786 of 1077
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Some interesting notes I observed about 1.52 , which I wish to pass on. I installed it with the intention of seeing how it would handle 4 dimms. I had problems with it overclocking to 2400mhzon memory at first. Eventually I got smart enough to check power plan in control panel. Somehow it was at balanced though I had changed it to high performance several days ago. So I reset it at high performance again and I had no problem booting 2400mhz with 15-14-14-14 timings. My 1800X is at 3.86GHZ. So I tested both cpu-z and cinebench. I was surprised how high my open gl score wasi n cinebench with 32 GB slower 2400mhz memory vs the 3200mhz on 16GB memory .My old score on my Sapphire Nitro Fury was 114.5 fps. My new score with 1.52 bios was 125.4 fps. It is really insane that the bios update boosted this score in spite of running 4dimms at 2400mhz. I am going to swapout 2dimms and re test with 2 dimms with bios1.52 at 3200mhz . It should push cinebench open GL scores over 130fps. THis bodes well for Ryzen users if removing bios latencies can boost open GL by such a margin. I will get back to you guys in about an hour

I think you might have a bottleneck with 3.86 GHz CPU clock. Basically what I've seen with 4 sticks is after going past 2400 MHz to reduce the latencies I had to go do 3.8 GHz - 2133, 3.9 - 2400, 3.95 - 2666. I'm not able to boot with 2933 with 4 sticks right now but I'd guess with 3200 to get the best performance the CPU needs to run ~4.05-4.1 (considering that I was not able to push my 1800X further than 4.1)
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I think you might have a bottleneck with 3.86 GHz CPU clock. Basically what I've seen with 4 sticks is after going past 2400 MHz to reduce the latencies I had to go do 3.8 GHz - 2133, 3.9 - 2400, 3.95 - 2666. I'm not able to boot with 2933 with 4 sticks right now but I'd guess with 3200 to get the best performance the CPU needs to run ~4.05-4.1 (considering that I was not able to push my 1800X further than 4.1)

I have no intention of running at above 3.85 GHZ. My core voltage in bios is 1.38- 1.40 volts .It makes zero sense to go to 3.9 GHZ or higher where voltage increase almost exponentially for me to 1.44 or 1.51 volts or slightly higher at 4.0GHZ. Every day use at those voltages will most likely lead to chip degradation within a year. I will not risk blowing $500 for bragging rights.

I did remove 2 dimms and my suspicion was confirmed I achieved an fps of 130.84 fps on open GL and 1715 for cpu on Cinebench 15.038. . Capture1.PNG 1739k .PNG file . So the1.52 bios is a winner for improving fps for games that use open GL. I have no idea what it will do in other games. I ran this on my Samsung 960 EVO m.2 NVMe drive. ON my regular ssd drive the results were somewhat lower. No idea why.
Edited by os2wiz - 4/24/17 at 7:03am
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I have no intention of running at above 3.85 GHZ. My core voltage in bios is 1.38- 1.40 volts .It makes zero sense to go to 3.9 GHZ or higher where voltage increase almost exponentially for me to 1.44 or 1.51 volts or slightly higher at 4.0GHZ. Every day use at those voltages will most likely lead to chip degradation within a year. I will not risk blowing $500 for bragging rights.

I did remove 2 dimms and my suspicion was confirmed I achieved an fps of 130.84 fps on open GL and 1715 for cpu on Cinebench 15.038. . Capture1.PNG 1739k .PNG file . So the1.51 bios is a winner for improving fps for games that use open GL. I have no idea what it will do in other games. I ran this on my Samsung 960 EVO m.2 NVMe drive. ON my regular ssd drive the results were somewhat lower. No idea why.

Thanks for the results. I am now getting interested in updating the bios.
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post #789 of 1077
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I'm curious, with beta BIOS what are the results with 4 DRAM sticks?
I have 4x8GB (two Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 kits). Before upgrading BIOS (1.1) I was not able to get past the JEDEC's 2133. After upgrading to latest non-beta (7A31v14) I was able to use their 2666 MHz preset with 15-16-16-16-34 timings. I tried the 2933 one and it did not boot. The furthest I could push it with 1.4 is manually setting 2666 MHz and 14-15-15-15-33 timings:



That is with the CPU at 3.9 GHz / 1.365V and bumping up the NB Voltage to 1.1 and DRAM voltage to 1.36V.

Anything else I can try to either get better clocks on the memory or lower the timings?

It's the same result, I have 4 DRAM sticks and it won't work even with 1.4 volt on the RAM and insane slow timings. We'll have to wait....
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I have no intention of running at above 3.85 GHZ. My core voltage in bios is 1.38- 1.40 volts .It makes zero sense to go to 3.9 GHZ or higher where voltage increase almost exponentially for me to 1.44 or 1.51 volts or slightly higher at 4.0GHZ.

My cpu is very similar. Running now 3.85ghz on 1.385v, very smooth and stable. But I need at least 1.45 volt for a stable 3.9 ghz and for 4 ghz I need 1.5v just to get in windows, can't even bench.
Not worth the risk going with these high voltages. Gonna stick with 3.85ghz.....
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