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Originally Posted by drdrache View Post

it didn't actually come out today - it was a string update - and the goalpost has been may for the ACTUAL agesa update- this one is "first week of april" (same agesa as last 2 bioses)

Even on Intel, 3200 is elusive for non-capable Dimms. Simple fact. thumb.gif
Edited by mus1mus - 4/26/17 at 8:43am
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Even on Intel, 3200 is elusive for non-capable Dimms. Simple fact. thumb.gif

So you are insinuating my ram wont work on the intel z270 version of the killer either? I assume by non capable you mean non B die kits? From the newegg review section of my ram:

-Plugged into my new ASRock Killer i5 build and loaded XMP profines. Super easy
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Okay, my previous statement was incorrect.
I already was running all games I've played (which isn't a lot) perfectly fine at 2133. I noticed no difference going to 3200, but I don't benchmark games.
No synthetic test I ran exhibited a difference. Time Spy, Firestrike, Heaven and Valley all ran within margin of error of my previous scores.

It seemed/seems like a fantastic waste of money to spend $200 on RAM in order to gain no noticeable difference in games and no measurable difference in benchmarks.
Maybe with a 144hz monitor where the RAM is the difference between 130fps and 144fps, then I can see that being useful - though $200 seems like a steep price to pay for such small gains.

If you play a game that is not running how you'd like and the faster ram makes it run how you like, then that could easily add up to being justification for the ram. For my uses it was not worthwhile.

thumb.gif .

3DM FS on W7 High Performance, ya da, ya da.... rig OC via UEFI, GPU OC via ROM .....

6x 2133MHz vs 3200MHz. same timings manually that could be set, 2133MHz strap benefits from other timings being better IMO.

Would I have felt bad having a lower spec RAM in above context no way. Did I pay full whack for Trident Z 3200MHz C14 2x 8GB, no way. Gaming again @ 1440P I'm seeing no real benefit either.
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Ive tried this as well from suggestions from one guy, after the failed boot loop its still at 3200 in bios. You do have a killer right?

What i mean by this is, if i dont press f2 to go into the bios it will do an infinite number of boot loops until i go back into the uefi.

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this may not work for you on the MSI - but :

sent XMP (which autosets volts and SOC ) save reboot
this causes a 3 boot fail loop
boots up @2133 - go to uefi - set strap to 2933 - check my 1.35V - save and reboot
boots up @ 2933 - then I set my Timings (14-14-14-36)

No luck here either. It did go through the 3 failed boots, then it reset everything in my bios, fans included.

Oh well...I'm not too worried about it. It would be nice, but at this point, it's not a deal breaker. thumb.gif
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Ya when i had the 2933 kit all i saw were slight increases to benchmark scores, when i was playing overwatch the FPS was identical to 2400. I know some games do show gains, but most people benchmarking ram have gtx 1080's or above, i have a 1060 so i cant really trust those results.

I think the question everyone needs to ask (including myself) is 3200 ram really THAT big of a deal?
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So you are insinuating my ram wont work on the intel z270 version of the killer either? I assume by non capable you mean non B die kits? From the newegg review section of my ram:

-Plugged into my new ASRock Killer i5 build and loaded XMP profines. Super easy



Literally, what you have done and tried is next to nothing.
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?

You said intel is also having problems with 3200 non B die ram, do you have proof of this? Most cas 16 hynix ram seems to work perfectly fine on intel, do you have evidence to the contrary? For example say i went to microcenter and bought the absolute bargain basement z270 board and plugged my hynix ripjaws in, what % chance do you think it would post at xmp at be stable?

100%
50%
10%

???
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Dude im willing to try suggestions lol, i have 50 bucks in paypal money to anyone who can bring this ram above 2400.....i just dont think its possible.

I assume (i used to say "know") these memory problems will be fixed eventually, but almost two months after release and new agesa updates im not so sure anymore. I will say again, people should not have to buy 200 dollar kits of ram to get them to function correctly, think of all the people on ryzen 5.....do you really expect someone to spend as much on ram as CPU?
I gave you a suggestion. Call the people that made your motherboard. I'm sure the engineers who made the board are knowledgeable and could tell you if your $100 RAM will ever been compatible...if ever (which i doubt). The product page itself does in fact say "x99 intel something or other" so you're kind of lashing out that its not working on a brand spanking new AMD platform.
I had incompatible RAM because I jumped the gun and purchased it BEFORE buying my motherboard. I tried to make it work but ultimately, it didn't.
My bad.
But i suspected that would be an issue prior to trying to troubleshoot. The solution was extremely simple.
...
I bought RAM on the QVL. I got some samsung 3200 Trident Z. Still doesn't run at 3200 but I'm ok with it because 3200 is an overclock and overclocks ARE NOT guaranteed.
Period. End of story. 2133 is guaranteed. You're getting 2400 with RAM designed for a completely different platform.
Just because you don't want to spend the money on it doesn't make it unreasonable. There is a supply and demand for the very specific item you're complaining about. The market ultimately makes that happen.
Its just the way things are right now.

So lets just sum it up.
You said you tried everything in this thread. I'm not 100% sure I believe that but lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say you did.
Check.
Second option is to go directly to the source.
You say you didn't want to.
Last option.
Buy RAM thats been tested with your board and chip and call it a day.
You said you shouldn't have to.
Well.
...
You could always buy a pre assembled alienware or something. Maybe an iMac is better suited for you.
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Scotty,

You should have bought one!

Then if you can run it with this kind of stability, we'll talk.




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I think the question everyone needs to ask (including myself) is 3200 ram really THAT big of a deal?

Not IMO. Especially if gaming at 1440P IMO. What do you use?

The MG279Q I have has a FreeSync range of 35-90Hz, it does have LFC for < 35 FPS. Using CRU I can mod the FS range, IIRC something like 57-143 I was using at one point. LFC is still supposed kick in, as "max refresh is ≥2.5X min. refresh".

I could not perceive the difference above 90 FPS/Hz. So I reverted to stock FS range, I use 89 FPS cap and enjoy smooth gaming, etc.

If your "bench'o'holic" and need the extra points, etc for a bench which does show the benefit "it's gravy", then go high speed RAM IMO, etc, etc.

If your purpose is "productivity" then yes I've seen some posts of members showing higher speed ram shaved x seconds of x process.
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