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You did! I was contemplating sticking my old vengeance lpx back in and sending this kit back

Ryzen is a tricky little cpu. It has back doors that you can open if the front door is locked smile.gif

The kicker is your subtimings are tighter now...so your 3200 clock is faster than someone elses using just the 3200 divider wink.gif

Dont get to carried away with ref clock...over 120 is a bit flaky for 24/7 use...fine for benching though.
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Question now is... how do I get beyond 4.0Ghz. And can I use Pstates effectively still?
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Wow, found out why my 1800X will do 4ghz but not in IBT Maximum. Months of tweaking only to find out AMD made a retarded 70C shutdown. And believe it or not, a good cooler like Corsair H100i full speed or similiar AIOs keep a 4ghz 1.4v Ryzen at about 65-68C in every stress test except Intel Burn Test, which my cpu can go to 70-73C. And since 70C is thermal shut off, boom off and code 8. I wish someone would have told me this, and hopefully this saves people a lot of testing. But now I will throw out IBT as an invalid stability test, it is only a heat test. But what is really bewildering is that Intel chips don't shut down till 95C and even AMD GPUs don't shut down till 95C, yet this processor shuts down and 70C, that is awefully cold for a piece of silicon to shut down due to safety thermals. So basically to get 4ghz you are going to need really good water cooling to pass IBT, or just a good AIO if you pretend IBT never existed. In either case I've changed my mind about how good this cpu is, AMD made a lot of poor decisions with memory support and thermal cut off. I can only hope newer bioses allow the chip to run cooler or with less volts to get 4ghz not always on the threshold of shut off with a good AIO like Corsair H100. Hopefully this is just a problem with bios 81, I'm not going to try another till next official or some of these problems are solved.
post #10224 of 11718
I have seen mine past 90C several times and NOT shutting down.


It could be other things. Like, CPU Needing more VCore.

Also NOTE: I believe in TDie. Not TCTL.
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I have seen mine past 90C several times and NOT shutting down.


It could be other things. Like, CPU Needing more VCore.

Also NOTE: I believe in TDie. Not TCTL.

 

Truth. Lack of vcore and lack of current have both knocked out my IBT runs when messing about with different options in BIOS. These early BIOS revisions can be a bit conservative with regards to overcurrent/overvolt protection, too, depending on your board.

 
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I have seen mine past 90C several times and NOT shutting down.


It could be other things. Like, CPU Needing more VCore.

Also NOTE: I believe in TDie. Not TCTL.

If i went by that theory im idling at 8°C pretty sweet haha.

Am i the only one whose tctl is reading correctly and i havent changed any miskew?

And why do people keep thinking an AIO wont thermal shutdown? Its the equivalent to an NH-D15
    
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So i guess hitting 72C TDie isn't too bad on the CPU then? I thought the TJMax on TDie was 75C.
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If i went by that theory im idling at 8°C pretty sweet haha.

Am i the only one whose tctl is reading correctly and i havent changed any miskew?

And why do people keep thinking an AIO wont thermal shutdown? Its the equivalent to an NH-D15

We don't have the same board so I can't comment on you TDie. But I do have a CPU Sensor in the latest BIOS that is 15C lower than TDie. Guess what, 40C under load at 1.45V is pretty true eh? tongue.gif

It's not that I don't believe AIOs can thermal shut down. But the truth is there for the picking. Shutdowns can either be lack of VCore or thermal. At 4100MHz / 1.5ish V, aroung 10C hotter than my 4000MHz / 1.412V on my chip, I am still to enxperience thermal shutdown. But it does crap out for instability.

If you are wondering, Thermal shutdown happens at 1.625V.
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So i guess hitting 72C TDie isn't too bad on the CPU then? I thought the TJMax on TDie was 75C.

To tell you frankly, nope. I've been there. Chip clocks the same.
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We don't have the same board so I can't comment on you TDie. But I do have a CPU Sensor in the latest BIOS that is 15C lower than TDie. Guess what, 40C under load at 1.45V is pretty true eh? tongue.gif

It's not that I don't believe AIOs can thermal shut down. But the truth is there for the picking. Shutdowns can either be lack of VCore or thermal. At 4100MHz / 1.5ish V, aroung 10C hotter than my 4000MHz / 1.412V on my chip, I am still to enxperience thermal shutdown. But it does crap out for instability.

If you are wondering, Thermal shutdown happens at 1.625V.

My tctl on my ch6 shows exactly where it should be, guess what? My gaming 5 board on f5 or f5c whatever i was on, did the EXACT SAME THING. The BIOSes are already taking off the 20°C offset, 10°C offset or whatever it is. F3 would show an idle of 48°C, f5c showed an idle of 28°C, so it works for gigabyte as well as Asus.

If i clear cmos or it fails to post and i go into the BIOS i get a temp of 57°C idling in the BIOS, once i restart its back down to 28°C.

P.S. We know you have your pc in a freezer s your temps don't count thumb.gifbiggrin.gif

I think the cpu sensor on all am4 boards are socket temps, if we go by that theory under load im at 25°C lol. Gotta love an ambient of 19°C.
    
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