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Laws of physics don't change. So either the CPU temps are being read incorrectly or the load is being read incorrectly. Either way, Software issue.

End of Story.
I agree the last bunch of posts are a waste of server space
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The past few pages have been worthy of the popcorn that I've been eating right now. jerry.gifsmil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
Try this, https://www.waterfoxproject.org/

64 Bit FireFox.

Also 64bit doesn't necessarily mean its faster, just means that the app can use more 4GB of RAM.
The monitoring tool isn't reading the load correctly? Laws of physics simply state that you cannot generate heat without drawing more power.
If you want an accurate reading, use a KillAWatt.

There is a little more to it than just the ability of handling more than 4 Gb i think. I mean, Windows 64-bit is also faster than 32 bit and has nothing to do with the higher memory capability. I felt the same improvement in browsers to be honest. Besides, when does a browser take more than 4 GB?

I will give waterfox a try though, seems interesting.
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Originally Posted by rt123 View Post

Laws of physics don't change. So either the CPU temps are being read incorrectly or the load is being read incorrectly.

End of Story.

Well, what I'm thinking is maybe, depending on his fan settings or something; realbench is causing the fan to kick on high and chrome is not.
Still seems weird.
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Originally Posted by bluej511 View Post

And my powerdraw is LESS when the temps spike then when it doesnt' Edge doesnt go past 35°C doing the same youtube vid, Chrome will spike from 40-50°C doing the same identical video. According to him Chrome is spiking 100% of all my cores all the time.

So, seems we are forgetting what Ryzen consists of. You are assuming the CPU is *only* the integer compute units (what you would call "cores"), when there is also 3 levels of cache, the IMC, and other SOC components. Any or all of those can be stressed with almost no load on the integer units. You need to go deeper than just Task Manager to see what is happening under the hood...

That being said, I wouldn't expect those to draw enough power to induce a heavy enough load to seriously impact temps. Cache could have an impact, but that would seem odd without a corresponding CPU load unless it is impacted by significant amounts of memory utilization (swapping) going on.

Anyway, my only point is that there can be a lot more going on. How and/or why it would be is the more interesting question (at least to me)...
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Originally Posted by rt123 View Post

The past few pages have been worthy of the popcorn that I've been eating right now. jerry.gifsmil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
Try this, https://www.waterfoxproject.org/

64 Bit FireFox.

Also 64bit doesn't necessarily mean its faster, just means that the app can use more 4GB of RAM.
The monitoring tool isn't reading the load correctly? Laws of physics simply state that you cannot generate heat without drawing more power.
If you want an accurate reading, use a KillAWatt.

There is a little more to it than just the ability of handling more than 4 Gb i think. I mean, Windows 64-bit is also faster than 32 bit and has nothing to do with the higher memory capability. I felt the same improvement in browsers to be honest. Besides, when does a browser take more than 4 GB?

I will give waterfox a try though, seems interesting.

it's a good build for people who love firefox, and yes there is MUCH more to 64bit than ram accessibility space. it's a long conversation; TL;DR 64bit is better for 90% of the software
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what is the difference in memory latency between the two different memory settings?

The difference may or may not be negligible depending on how you're measuring or monitoring or who you may be asking.
Other than the IBT, Time spy, and the AOTS score my findings can be dismissed as confirmation bias. Numerically, the difference between the cas latency is just 1.
So
15-16-16-16-35=Faster load times. Faster IBT runs @ around 61 seconds a pass with 10 passes total on very high.
14-14-14-34=Better cinebench scores (1718..ish), better AOTS scores, better Time spy scores (time spy has the greatest difference). HOWEVER, slower IBT passes, longer load times in games, slower boot, etc.

When I get home, I'm gonna up the voltage a tiny bit and tighten up the timings just to see what will happen.
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Originally Posted by Skyl3r View Post

Well, what I'm thinking is maybe, depending on his fan settings or something; realbench is causing the fan to kick on high and chrome is not.
Still seems weird.

On water and my pump is set at 75% no curve. I found it a bit weird as well that chrome is up and down by 10°C, someone else reported the same thing but yea guess I'm stupid and crazy lol.

Neither task manager/hwinfo64/resource monitor show anything more then 1% usage on the cpu when using chrome and/or edge. Not like i really care since my temps are fine either way just curious why its happening. Turning on/off hw acceleration in chrome made zero difference either.
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So, seems we are forgetting what Ryzen consists of. You are assuming the CPU is *only* the integer compute units (what you would call "cores"), when there is also 3 levels of cache, the IMC, and other SOC components. Any or all of those can be stressed with almost no load on the integer units. You need to go deeper than just Task Manager to see what is happening under the hood...

That being said, I wouldn't expect those to draw enough power to induce a heavy enough load to seriously impact temps. Cache could have an impact, but that would seem odd without a corresponding CPU load unless it is impacted by significant amounts of memory utilization (swapping) going on.

Anyway, my only point is that there can be a lot more going on. How and/or why it would be is the more interesting question (at least to me)...

Read post above, tried all 3 and none of em show more then 1% usage. I found it odd as well but guess I'm stupid.
    
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There is a little more to it than just the ability of handling more than 4 Gb i think. I mean, Windows 64-bit is also faster than 32 bit and has nothing to do with the higher memory capability. I felt the same improvement in browsers to be honest. Besides, when does a browser take more than 4 GB?

I will give waterfox a try though, seems interesting.

64-bit code is simply written to support the extra memory registers. It can support more RAM directly, and utilize those extra registers for more efficient code execution in certain circumstances. It's been years since I really read up the details, so this is a very over-simplified explanation. You can Google the details if you care to...
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OMG! NO! HWiNFO64 is gospel!

Yeah, no offense to the dev, but he's only human. Stuff happens. Or maybe its due to some of AMD's programming. Who knows. smile.gif
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I agree the last bunch of posts are a waste of server space

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Originally Posted by hurricane28 View Post

There is a little more to it than just the ability of handling more than 4 Gb i think. I mean, Windows 64-bit is also faster than 32 bit and has nothing to do with the higher memory capability. I felt the same improvement in browsers to be honest. Besides, when does a browser take more than 4 GB?

I will give waterfox a try though, seems interesting.
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Originally Posted by drdrache View Post

it's a good build for people who love firefox, and yes there is MUCH more to 64bit than ram accessibility space. it's a long conversation; TL;DR 64bit is better for 90% of the software

I agree with both of you gentlemen, there's more to 64 bit then more memory access. I just meant to say that a properly optimized 32bit software can be better than unoptimized 64bit software. So it isn't wise to assume something is better just because 64 bit, that's all. smile.gif
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I agree with both of you gentlemen, there's more to 64 bit then more memory access. I just meant to say that a properly optimized 32bit software can be better than unoptimized 64bit software. So it isn't wise to assume something is better just because 64 bit, that's all. smile.gif

you of course are correct - optimized is always better than non tongue.gif
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