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post #10361 of 11656
I don't understand this "I know how to do it but I'm not going to tell you, and if you try it without knowing what you're doing that's your own problem, even though I could have helped you do it the correct way." attitude when it comes to this.
post #10362 of 11656
I'm with @bardacuda on this one.

Better learn to do it the correct way; or even have a recipe to fix it incase you've already broken it. Then to have neither the knowledge to fix it OR the recipe to do it the correct way in the first place.

Secondly, we are an overclock site after all. When all is said and done; we're still here (most of all); to share knowledge and expertise. (And learn). Right?

That being said; a bit of caution in the wind is also a good thing to have. So no one is wrong. (I'd still thank mus1mus for showing us the importance of that caution).

But I still stand by opening comment.


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Edited by nrpeyton - 4/27/17 at 5:00pm
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post #10363 of 11656
Guys, I am really pissed off right now.

It looks like both my TridentZ RGBs are corrupted. Thaiphoon Burner reports that both of them are corrupted w/ invalid CRCs and it looks like my options are to either RMA to G.Skill or try and reflash them with a paid version of Thaiphoon Burner. Seems like everything is ******* up with Ryzen for me.
post #10364 of 11656
Try RMA. If that doesn't work there's not much to lose from trying to flash except the $15 or whatever for a license. You should be able to download an original ROM through the program's SPD Browser if you need one.
post #10365 of 11656
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Originally Posted by bardacuda View Post

So that's why you explain the risks and make an appropriate disclaimer. For someone who has borked RAM because of G.Skill refusing RMA for something they didn't do, what do they have to lose anyway? Why act like an overprotective parent or a nanny state and tell people what they can and can't do with their own hardware? You know kids will do dumb stuff anyway regardless if you tell them not to. It is better to educate them on the risks and how to avoid them and let them make their own decisions.
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Originally Posted by bardacuda View Post

I don't understand this "I know how to do it but I'm not going to tell you, and if you try it without knowing what you're doing that's your own problem, even though I could have helped you do it the correct way." attitude when it comes to this.

I'll break things down like this:

RAM programming, unlike a mobo, GPU or even Phone firmware, if fails, you are on a dead stop. There's no such way to reflash things back without access to manufacturer equipment.

If you look at threads in here that offer things like BIOS Editing / Flashing, you will see the number of people who floods the thread. If you are fine with giving them all the support, that's fine.

Most of the guys in here don't even know how to tune their RAM Timings.


I suggest if you wanna delve into that foray, do it privately. You can PM people with such know-how and sure they would help you. thumb.gif -- don't ask me, I know nothing.

It's not about attitude. It's about keeping your self off potential issues "blame" issues. Coz again, RAM Flashing is no turning back.
post #10366 of 11656
The question is now "How bad is the corruption"? Good thing I can dump with Thaiphoon, the database has a version of my RAM with a good CRC and I know how to binary compare.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Good DIMM from Database:


Bad DIMM #1 (Seems ok):


Bad DIMM #2 (Seems Bad):

It seems like this might be why I cannot get 3600 Stable anymore. I will Binary compare and see what is different from these files.
post #10367 of 11656
So the good news is that this is easy enough to trobleshoot and to figure out what bytes are corrupted and how bad it is as the DDR4 Spec is widely known.

Anyways, DIMM 1 comapred against a "good" Hex Image
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post #10368 of 11656
I hope you guys don't mind me documenting this here (I'm lonely)


The first DIMM actually looks moderaltely unscathed. It looks like two bytes are not properly zeroed out. However I think that DIMM 2 is much worse.
post #10369 of 11656
So it seems like the Model Number and Manufacturer on the second one is corrupted. Other than that I think that bytes 132-253 is where the RGB information is storred.
post #10370 of 11656
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Originally Posted by Secret Dragoon View Post

So it seems like the Model Number and Manufacturer on the second one is corrupted. Other than that I think that bytes 132-253 is where the RGB information is storred.

simmtester has an educational write up at the link below. there is no tldr

http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/showpubnews.asp?num=184

It's not specific to rgb.

Manufacturers use different bytes from vendor to vendor. Different write protection methods. Some cannot be circumvented by end users, but they can be damaged irrecoverably and brick the ram as far as we're concerned. If memory serves Thaiphoon's website talks about write protection and how to test for it. Method described looks as risky as just flashing the ram without testing to be honest. but... it may not be relevant. There are probably resources that could determine which method is used if any with less potential risk.
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