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IMO, the price may difference nor the upgraded cooling performance will not be justified if the CPU is already on it's knees.

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The thing is mobo bios dual bios and advanced bios support...flash backs.

Vga can be saved with another vga.

Ram there is no saving bricked = bricked.

Now imagine if i released a way to do it....gskill who i am in good standing with suddenly gets a bunch of bricked ram in rma...

I do not think they would be to happy with me.

Can it be done? Yes. Is is there more risk than vga/mobo....hell yeah..

And you're not yet counting user-reaction into that. Which we knew rolleyes.gif

I am not starting anything here. Just pure forum fact
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

I wouldn't mess with the ocp settings. LLC levels 1 and 2 boost v core slightly above bios setting when under load - 3 is pretty close to maintaining the bios setting - 4 and 5 allow for some v-droop in bios 1.1. ( assume you have the titanium?)

Bios 1.5 is the latest stable version and offers some increased memory compatibility over previous versions.

Your ambient is pretty high , going to be more of a challenge to cool it in light of that fact.

Sorry for the late reply. Nope. I have the Gaming Carbon so im not sure if the settings are the same and what to adjust. Im on Bios 1.4 if that helps.
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Is 4.0 not enough for you?

I said you first need to verify whether it's a TEMP - ISSUE or simply a chip limit. Without doing so -- or knowing what causes the issue of not allowing you to clock further, you are left chasing a unicorn.

Well.. this is an ocing website so... i was hoping to hit 4.1 since this is the 1800x after all.. binned chip and it does hit 4.1 on XFR so at least it is doable?

I guess it's a temperature issue of sorts, since im unstable on lower voltages and throwing voltages at it increases the temperature past its shut down point.
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IMO, the price may difference nor the upgraded cooling performance will not be justified if the CPU is already on it's knees.

 

True, true. I always like to start off in a good place with cooling though, so I tend to recommend strong cooling and capable mobos, especially for the inexperienced.

 
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http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6083/cryorig-r1-ultimate-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

By adding a third fan, they brought the R1's cooling performance down another degree, so a 2.5 degree difference on a 4770k at 4.5GHz. I think both coolers are sufficient for Ryzen so it's really a matter of how much you value the potential differential in temperatures versus the size of the cooler in the case and the respective noise levels, etc.

I think you'd see an improvement with either cooler, though. You could even try push/pull on your H7 if you aren't already, but both of the above coolers would offer more performance with the same push/pull config.

Thanks, R1 it is then. I'll wait for the May Agesa update to see if there's any improvement first. i'm doing a push pull on my H5 currently with dual cryorig 140mm fans so i would have to hazard a guess that it is the heatsink that will make the difference.
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Thanks, R1 it is then. I'll wait for the May Agesa update to see if there's any improvement first. i'm doing a push pull on my H5 currently with dual cryorig 140mm fans so i would have to hazard a guess that it is the heatsink that will make the difference.

Isn't the size of R1 similar to Noctua 15s? and Noctua 15s performs better with only 1 fan?
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Isn't the size of R1 similar to Noctua 15s? and Noctua 15s performs better with only 1 fan?

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Noctua/NH-D15S/8.html

 

Similar performance, R1 is a bit more compact.

 
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https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Noctua/NH-D15S/8.html

Similar performance, R1 is a bit more compact.

Better performance for cheaper price according to that website... also the D15S is asymmetrical so it offers more room for GPU. Noctua even performs better despite being only on 1 fan vs 2 for the R1...

I have to admit R1 may look better aesthetically though, but if you don't care about that (like myself who has fully closed/no window) then D15S is an easy choice over the R1 hands down... better cooling performance, cheaper, and quieter...
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Better performance for cheaper price according to that website... also the D15S is asymmetrical so it offers more room for GPU. Noctua even performs better despite being only on 1 fan vs 2 for the R1...

I have to admit R1 may look better aesthetically though, but if you don't care about that (like myself who has fully closed/no window) then D15S is an easy choice over the R1 hands down... better cooling performance, cheaper, and quieter...

 

Yeah, for some reason I had it in my head that the R1 was a bit cheaper, but they appear to be the same price in North America and Europe. I think Nickyvida's Singapore, IIRC, so prices may be different there. Well-made tower coolers tend to perform close enough to one another that a $10 discount can alter the price/performance metric, but at the same price the D14/D15 are better, true enough.

 
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Well.. this is an ocing website so... i was hoping to hit 4.1 since this is the 1800x after all.. binned chip and it does hit 4.1 on XFR so at least it is doable?

I guess it's a temperature issue of sorts, since im unstable on lower voltages and throwing voltages at it increases the temperature past its shut down point.

This being an overclocking website has nothing to do with what I am asking you. It's a blind approach on your end if you ask me. biggrin.gif

It'll only take a couple of minutes to try what I said. thumb.gif

XFR is different from All Core Overclocking.

Take this for a start:

My 1700X does the following:
3.9 at 1.300V STABLE.
4.0 at 1.412V STABLE.
4.075 at 1.488V STABLE.
4.1 will always crash no matter what Voltage.

Check the temps. I have headroom.


To put into perspective what I am saying, my chip will thermal shutdown at 1.62V TESTED, not guessed. I don't preach what I don't do. thumb.gif

Now, you might ask, is 1.60 still not enough for 4.1? Check the bold statement as well as my Frequency to Voltage reference.


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True, true. I always like to start off in a good place with cooling though, so I tend to recommend strong cooling and capable mobos, especially for the inexperienced.

I know. And I meant no offense in saying this:
These things don't react well with cooling quality.
Coolers can only help you so much on ambient.

slim XSPC 360mm vs thick 480mm is negligible on my system. I miss the old saying "if you can cool it, you can clock it"

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