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Not sure what throttle stop does but unless it changes core parking idk if it will do anything, worth a shot though see what happens.

ThrottleStop basically allows you to run the CPU at it's highest state, not throttling the CPU down when temps rise. Just be careful to monitor temps if you're CPU is overclocked. It also has some BIOS overrides and multiplier settings. Not sure about what unpark tools you used, I use UnparkCPU from Coderbag.
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

Cpuz balanced left hp right

See its hit and miss for cpuz but thats not a real demanding benchmark tool from what i recall.
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Ok, so we should be running Balanced with Core Parking set to 0%?

Balanced, Park Control with everything enabled and set to 0%.


*Obviously not when we are doing CPU only benches tongue.gif

CPU only benches (cinebench multi core and real bench and wtv else) will load all cores to 100% so core parking is irrelevant, w10 wont transfer instructions if all cores are fully being used because it cant. Thats why between hp and balanced in cinebench you wont see much difference in multi core.

I wouldnt even use park control set to anything, 92blu tried it and enabled and disabled under balanced really didn't make much difference.

Thats part of why I asked bout temps earlier.
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See its hit and miss for cpuz but thats not a real demanding benchmark tool from what i recall.
CPU only benches (cinebench multi core and real bench and wtv else) will load all cores to 100% so core parking is irrelevant, w10 wont transfer instructions if all cores are fully being used because it cant. Thats why between hp and balanced in cinebench you wont see much difference in multi core.

I wouldnt even use park control set to anything, 92blu tried it and enabled and disabled under balanced really didn't make much difference.

If it doesn't make a difference then why not leave it enabled? Save power.
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Cheers, will try AIDA64 Cache smile.gif .

Y-Cruncher was with 3.8GHz + 2400MHz.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


So the disabled tests would have hit cache/mem more?

Currently 3.8GHz + 2400MHz using +118.75mV offset on core and 0.925V (-25mV from Y-Cruncher test pass for 2.5hrs). So far stable ~4hrs in f@h, I'm in the "timezone" for failure, I'll report back how it goes.
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@gupsterg

I believe one of the disabled tests is really heavy with either RAM or Cache. You can verify. The only thing I would disable from the whole suite is really just FFT. It does nothing for Ryzen.

+rep, thumb.gif , will try now wink.gif .

Well to me it seems my CPU likes low SOC smile.gif .

So far on 3.8GHz (VCORE offset: +118.75mV SOC: 0.925V, rest stock) + 2400MHz RAM this is the longest f@h run without any errors biggrin.gif .





This is matching 3.8GHz (VCORE offset: +112.25mV, rest stock) 2133MHz RAM on stability over length of time smile.gif . Gonna do more runs, I may also lower SOC to stock ~0.838V if the CPU is not needing it / causing errors in f@h.
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ThrottleStop basically allows you to run the CPU at it's highest state, not throttling the CPU down when temps rise. Just be careful to monitor temps if you're CPU is overclocked. It also has some BIOS overrides and multiplier settings. Not sure about what unpark tools you used, I use UnparkCPU from Coderbag.

Yea i dont think any of us are hitting thermal throttles yet lol, musmus even hit 90°C and had no issues so it should be full throttle at all times.
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Thats part of why I asked bout temps earlier.

No one is hitting thermal throttles yet, would def be concerning haha.

So here is why combined test is more important then physics.

"3DMark Fire Strike Combined test stresses both the GPU and CPU
simultaneously. The GPU load combines elements from Graphics test 1 and 2
using tessellation, volumetric illumination, fluid simulation, particle simulation,
FFT based bloom and depth of field.
The CPU load comes from the rigid body physics of the breaking statues in the
background. There are 32 simulation worlds running in separate threads each
containing one statue decomposing into 113 parts. Additionally there are 16
invisible rigid bodies in each world except the one closest to camera to push
the decomposed elements apart. The simulations run on one thread per
available CPU core.
The 3DMark Fire Strike Combined test uses the Bullet Open Source Physics
Library"

Straight from their technical guide, so for gaming (if it even translates to better fps or not is yet to be seen) using a balanced power plan is better in firestrike, not sure if using a program to set it to 0% makes any difference as i think thats already what windows is set to but i could be wrong.

You guys could try without running a core parking program (or deleting it completely) and see if the scores are still fairly close to each other, if not then yea running the program will help.
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If it doesn't make a difference then why not leave it enabled? Save power.

Ive yet to test it (still waiting for my SECOND board haha) but if youre running stock clocks you need to run it in hp mode, for OC it doesnt matter as we dont use xfr.
    
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If it doesn't make a difference then why not leave it enabled? Save power.

balanced mode with parking enabled made a improvement in firestrike combined score
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ThrottleStop basically allows you to run the CPU at it's highest state, not throttling the CPU down when temps rise. Just be careful to monitor temps if you're CPU is overclocked. It also has some BIOS overrides and multiplier settings. Not sure about what unpark tools you used, I use UnparkCPU from Coderbag.

Yea i dont think any of us are hitting thermal throttles yet lol, musmus even hit 90°C and had no issues so it should be full throttle at all times.
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Thats part of why I asked bout temps earlier.

No one is hitting thermal throttles yet, would def be concerning haha.

So here is why combined test is more important then physics.

"3DMark Fire Strike Combined test stresses both the GPU and CPU
simultaneously. The GPU load combines elements from Graphics test 1 and 2
using tessellation, volumetric illumination, fluid simulation, particle simulation,
FFT based bloom and depth of field.
The CPU load comes from the rigid body physics of the breaking statues in the
background. There are 32 simulation worlds running in separate threads each
containing one statue decomposing into 113 parts. Additionally there are 16
invisible rigid bodies in each world except the one closest to camera to push
the decomposed elements apart. The simulations run on one thread per
available CPU core.
The 3DMark Fire Strike Combined test uses the Bullet Open Source Physics
Library"

Straight from their technical guide, so for gaming (if it even translates to better fps or not is yet to be seen) using a balanced power plan is better in firestrike, not sure if using a program to set it to 0% makes any difference as i think thats already what windows is set to but i could be wrong.

You guys could try without running a core parking program (or deleting it completely) and see if the scores are still fairly close to each other, if not then yea running the program will help.
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If it doesn't make a difference then why not leave it enabled? Save power.

Ive yet to test it (still waiting for my SECOND board haha) but if youre running stock clocks you need to run it in hp mode, for OC it doesnt matter as we dont use xfr.

I don't think it's throttling in the traditional sense, rather that something is turned off or not allowed to boost as high as it would with lower temp. I've noticed that some of my scores would dip slightly when the core went over 72 C.

Lisa Su eluded to that sort of thing in her pre - launch schpeel.
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I don't think it's throttling in the traditional sense, rather that something is turned off or not allowed to boost as high as it would with lower temp. I've noticed that some of my scores would dip slightly when the core went over 72 C.

Lisa Su eluded to that sort of thing in her pre - launch schpeel.

Techpowerup found that performance went down above 4ghz, so there may be some truth to that.
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balanced mode with parking enabled made a improvement in firestrike combined score

Well in balanced mode its already enabled by default in windows 10 i believe just like it was in w7. From your 2 scores you showed me with enabled and disabled in balanced mode i didn't see much difference, unless of course you accidentally posted the wrong graphs lol.

See look at css scores, don't think he used a core parking tool either but not sure.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12042380/fs/12042534
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I don't think it's throttling in the traditional sense, rather that something is turned off or not allowed to boost as high as it would with lower temp. I've noticed that some of my scores would dip slightly when the core went over 72 C.

Lisa Su eluded to that sort of thing in her pre - launch schpeel.

If you are running a new BIOS with fixed temps (ie the offset is 20°C) and your cpu temps show as 72°C but the tctl is actually 92°C you might start seeing it throttle yea but not sure about that still in infancy.

It does seem like core parking doesnt work well in w10 with ryzen and that the time it takes to transfer instructions between cores kills your combined score of the gpu and cpu working together, which is pretty much what happens in games every ms.
    
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I don't think it's throttling in the traditional sense, rather that something is turned off or not allowed to boost as high as it would with lower temp. I've noticed that some of my scores would dip slightly when the core went over 72 C.

Lisa Su eluded to that sort of thing in her pre - launch schpeel.

Techpowerup found that performance went down above 4ghz, so there may be some truth to that.

There are some oddities that's for sure - fun to play with something new from AMD smile.gif
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