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So here is mine on the stock 1700x, did balanced and hp mode with combined test only. Very little difference but its def there.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12077766/fs/12077791
    
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At first we did not know if the state that the c6h and also the g7k sometimes enter, is the former or the latter. In fact, we assumed it to be the former.

When I told the Asus support about my problem, they advised me to rma it, as in "the board is not recoverable for you". Also, after the 0902 bios was released, it was stated by @Raja@ASUS that an already "bricked" board can not be recovered.

When I got my g7k, I experienced the same issue, hinting that its cause lies in the architecture of the platform in combination with high RAM overclocks by increased refclock. Following my report about this on here, @bluej511 pointed out that Gigabyte have a recovery procedure, which was also stated in my post earlier today in this thread. This procedure can recover a g7k.
Ever since this was discovered, I have been using quotation marks around the word describing an unrecoverable failure, hinting it's no longer valid meaning.

The important part is not the meaning of the word 'brick', but when it was used and it what context. So please, @SpeedyVT, stop **** posting. Thank you.


Following up on the recovery procedure, there have been reports of C6H boards also being successfully recovered by a similar method. The only difference seems to be that you need to let the board decharge much longer (~ 2 days), compared to the 30s on the G7K. This could be due to differences in hardware components and board architecture, but also due to user error.

So @elmor and @Raja@ASUS, are C6H recoverable by removing the cmos battery for "extended periods" of time? And if yes, is there an official recovery procedure guide, like the one Gigabyte provides?

2 days!

Wow.

How big is the capacitor it's meant to be discharging?
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At first we did not know if the state that the c6h and also the g7k sometimes enter, is the former or the latter. In fact, we assumed it to be the former.

When I told the Asus support about my problem, they advised me to rma it, as in "the board is not recoverable for you". Also, after the 0902 bios was released, it was stated by @Raja@ASUS that an already "bricked" board can not be recovered.

When I got my g7k, I experienced the same issue, hinting that its cause lies in the architecture of the platform in combination with high RAM overclocks by increased refclock. Following my report about this on here, @bluej511 pointed out that Gigabyte have a recovery procedure, which was also stated in my post earlier today in this thread. This procedure can recover a g7k.
Ever since this was discovered, I have been using quotation marks around the word describing an unrecoverable failure, hinting it's no longer valid meaning.

The important part is not the meaning of the word 'brick', but when it was used and it what context. So please, @SpeedyVT, stop **** posting. Thank you.


Following up on the recovery procedure, there have been reports of C6H boards also being successfully recovered by a similar method. The only difference seems to be that you need to let the board decharge much longer (~ 2 days), compared to the 30s on the G7K. This could be due to differences in hardware components and board architecture, but also due to user error.

So @elmor and @Raja@ASUS, are C6H recoverable by removing the cmos battery for "extended periods" of time? And if yes, is there an official recovery procedure guide, like the one Gigabyte provides?
2 days!

Wow.

How big is the capacitor it's meant to be discharging?

Sounds more like case of them having something onboard that can't easily be shorted out, and power button not effecting it so it has to leak out naturally.
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Very cool. Is your 1700 stock clocks or OCed? Im curious what core parking is set to by default in balanced mode and in high performance. Not feeling like running a program so might do it in CMD or registry but not sure. If it runs better in balanced mode while OCed might just leave it balanced.

In balanced mode per windows power plan settings, core parking is set to 10%; I still find the windows core parking setting a bit weird, but 0% should be no parked cores afaik (through the registry tweak). Where this starts to make less sense is that when enabling the registry tweak, the stock core park % for high performance is 100%, which as far as I found combined scores were the worst. I need to try out a core parking utility and see how that fairs.

The 1700 was set to stock.

Over the next few days I plan on benching a large suite of games/programs in a similar manner. I just need to stop having weird issues with this board redface.gif
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In balanced mode per windows power plan settings, core parking is set to 10%; I still find the windows core parking setting a bit weird, but 0% should be no parked cores afaik (through the registry tweak). Where this starts to make less sense is that when enabling the registry tweak, the stock core park % for high performance is 100%, which as far as I found combined scores were the worst. I need to try out a core parking utility and see how that fairs.

The 1700 was set to stock.

Over the next few days I plan on benching a large suite of games/programs in a similar manner. I just need to stop having weird issues with this board redface.gif

Well 100% just means they are NOT parked meaning all cores are unparked, the problem is, w10 can send instructions to threads as it pleases and it doesnt work out well. At 0%, all cores parking, it will use 1 core fully, seems to work really well in single threaded games and possibly even multi threaded games that only use 3-4 cores.

For everyone else. I have the paid version of 3dmark, each combined test takes me like 30secs lol. I just ran it TWICE to check my results and found it a bit odd.

In hp mode i will see a dip of gpu usage down to 8-12%, repeated twice and did it twice in the graph. In balanced mode however, the dip was much MUCH smaller, was down to 89-90% usage. Could this be why we are seeing a high combined score? I'm guessing the people doing it are looking at the score and not the graph?
    
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Officially bowing out of the 4ghz race. Was able to run Cinebench, etc as low as 1.4v, but wasn't able to get it stable at 1.44 when running stress tests and the temps hit 90c.

With 3.9 being rock solid at 1.3v and 75c in the same tests, I just don't think it's worth so much heat/power/noise for 2.5% performance increase. My Time Spy CPU score is higher than a lot of 4's anyways biggrin.gif


So until I go full water, I think I will call it good. Didn't lose any speed to XFR, gained a lot under load. I'll call it a win.


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Well 100% just means they are NOT parked meaning all cores are unparked, the problem is, w10 can send instructions to threads as it pleases and it doesnt work out well. At 0%, all cores parking, it will use 1 core fully, seems to work really well in single threaded games and possibly even multi threaded games that only use 3-4 cores.

For everyone else. I have the paid version of 3dmark, each combined test takes me like 30secs lol. I just ran it TWICE to check my results and found it a bit odd.

In hp mode i will see a dip of gpu usage down to 8-12%, repeated twice and did it twice in the graph. In balanced mode however, the dip was much MUCH smaller, was down to 89-90% usage. Could this be why we are seeing a high combined score? I'm guessing the people doing it are looking at the score and not the graph?

Did you check the graph for CPU clock? I noticed when the combined score ends up lower with the same windows settings, there are fluctuations in the core clock (thread swapping issues?); 3.2ghz > 3.7ghz spikes. When the scores are best, I am consistently at the ACB of 3.2ghz for the entire test with no spikes. I believe this is likely causing the issue. It also happens at random, I've yet to figure out why.
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Did you check the graph for CPU clock? I noticed when the combined score ends up lower with the same windows settings, there are fluctuations in the core clock (thread swapping issues?); 3.2ghz > 3.7ghz spikes. When the scores are best, I am consistently at the ACB of 3.2ghz for the entire test with no spikes. I believe this is likely causing the issue. It also happens at random, I've yet to figure out why.

Oh no i dont get CPU spikes at all not even a little bit. Check out the gpu usage though. Left is balanced and right is high performance, this is the same on THREE runs, im only doing combined with no demo.

    
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Quite free Aida64 test.

Memory read: 48329MB/s
Memory write: 45904MB/s
Latency: 84.4ns.

Not sure if these are any good for 3200mhz as i am absolute poop with memory numbers but there we go.

For Ryzen, the latency is better than it was at launch when it was demonstrated at 100ns.

 

Compared to Intel systems that generally have memory latency in the 50-60ns area, it is worthy of explanation as slow response times will impact high load performance in things like gaming where both the CPU and GPU are both demanding access to the memory controller during the same period of time

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Oh no i dont get CPU spikes at all not even a little bit. Check out the gpu usage though. Left is balanced and right is high performance, this is the same on THREE runs, im only doing combined with no demo.


After resetting both balanced and high performance to defaults, I'm still getting some massive differences. Top is balanced, bottom is high performance. But either way I am seeing the same trend.




I still need to update the GPU drivers, and then check what my vcore readout is with a DMM during loads before I start overclocking.
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