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I don't think I would ever mess around with pstate. Does the Prime have bclk settings, because I would use those to tweak an overclock though. I mean I
pretty much would just like to do an easy 3.9-4ghz overclock with 3200mhz ram speed on a Prime, I don't need all the LED ****. But I would really like
32gb memory instead of 16gb, so I might wait to see what mobo can do 32gb at 3200mhz with future bios updates and then pick that one. I have NO problem
paying a lot for a good 32gb ddr4 kit, but not if it won't go at 3200 or above due to ****ty mobo issues.

Prime has no bclk generator. 32GBP kit would face problems at current time being either dual rank 16gb x 2 or 8gb x 4. Best seen for 16gb x 2 has been rare success at 2933 with 2400 or lower more likely. Keep checking though,New agesa and bios updates may change this. Amd says memory compatibility should be much better by may
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Thinking of going Ryzen instead of a new Kaby lake build. Ryzen will help with compiling for sure when I code, but worried about the SMT and memory bugs and gaming. Any suggestions or idea if they will be able to fix some of these issues?
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I keep seeing that the temp before throttling is 75c or 95c when factoring the offset on the R7 1700x and 1800x, is there actually any confirmation of a max temperature before shutdown or throttle?

I know i've had my 1700 well above the 75c point and that there isn't supposed to be an offset on the 1700. If the throttle limit isn't 75c where is this rumor continually coming from?

http://valid.x86.fr/idyahg


Do yourself a favor and buy a cheap thermal gun. 1.46v is going to be brutal on the Tomahawks VRM, I wouldn't be surprised if all the throttling is being caused by the VRMS hitting max temps or exceeding efficient tolerance for the VRM.

It also doesn't seem like HWinfo has a reading for any of your VRM temps. If I were you, I wouldn't push past 1.35-1.375v until I have a good idea of how hot the VRM's are on your board.

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The temperature offset isn't a rumor, it was officially stated by AMD for the 1700X and 1800X due to cooling policies. The temperature being reported will also vary from vendor to vendor, and bios to bios currently.
Edited by rv8000 - 3/26/17 at 1:44pm
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No

  Asrock is not bricked from what read their boards are closest to being  good for ryzen memory wise. AMD rush the release motherboard manufactures has to get the boards out.

I am not sure but bios updates for x370 are coming out faster than acme on a teenager.:p 

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My current 1800x seems stable @4Ghz 3200Mhz CAS 14 using 1.44v-1.45v running RealBench for a few hours. I'm guessing this is roughly on par with the average results?
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My current 1800x seems stable @4Ghz 3200Mhz CAS 14 using 1.44v-1.45v running RealBench for a few hours. I'm guessing this is roughly on par with the average results?

How did you get 4 sticks running at 3200?

I have two sticks and cant go above 2400 lol.
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I keep seeing that the temp before throttling is 75c or 95c when factoring the offset on the R7 1700x and 1800x, is there actually any confirmation of a max temperature before shutdown or throttle?

I know i've had my 1700 well above the 75c point and that there isn't supposed to be an offset on the 1700. If the throttle limit isn't 75c where is this rumor continually coming from?

http://valid.x86.fr/idyahg


Per AMD 95c. I suppose they're official enough. There was a 75c thermal mentioned that was unrelated to tj or tctl early in different technical reviews. When you mix that with an offset that increases temps reported to be 95 and people knowing 95 is tctl max before throttling they do some math in their heads and think this thing is gonna throttle at 75, and start talking about that and then all people notice is 75 again... Add to this the fact that some implementations of software have attempted to correct for the 20degree offset, which I suppose would be fine on an X chip but now you have 1700 owners who, probably briefly I hope, see their chips at lower than ambient temps. More worriesome would be owners who think they're still getting an offset when chips read near 95 in their software. But then you'll be looking at throttling...

If I remember correctly tctl is not just a single sensor. But it's still, per AMD.95c.
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How did you get 4 sticks running at 3200?

I have two sticks and cant go above 2400 lol.
Only have 2 sticks installed at the moment. Will try 4 at a later date.
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I may have either found a bug with my board or a bug with the BIOS in general. Biostar GT7

When I try and set my RAM to 3200 (or high speed) at the time or release when I wasn't sure of the settings 100% of the time, it would do its normal POST loop, I turn off the system wipe CMOS and go about my day. I try and go back to my OC, but lower the RAM speed, loosen the timings where it shouldn't cause any issues. I've repeated this test 3 times and can't reproduce it any other way.

The main issue following up the POST loop and wiping CMOS. Seems that voltage control via the BIOS is totally bugged and thrown out the Window. When the 1700 goes into its auto OC mode, the voltages are way under spec from what I'm normally seeing them at.

BUG test:

For 3.8 Ghz stable test I know which is stable, when I believe the BIOS is bugged and LLC
Set to 1.226v via Biostar software, voltage becomes 1.226/1.232, (1.226 doesn't happen when it isn't bugged) at IDLE

Once loaded, it crashes and dips down way to either 1.13 (CPU-z) or 1.156 (HWiNFO) (loss of 0.076-0.102mV)

Once the issue is "FIXED". I am unsure how to fix this, I can't get it fixed on BIOS 1(via BIOS Switch), I am now running primarily on switch 2.

3.8Ghz testing again, set it to 1.226v via Biostar sofware, voltage is a steady now 1.232, loads now at 1.243 (CPU-z and HWiNFO). This is also with LLC 'Auto'.

tl;dr Once I go into a POST loop, causes the BIOS/Board to frantically lose control of voltage control properly for the chip, and isn't no longer stable on stock or OC.
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Only have 2 sticks installed at the moment. Will try 4 at a later date.

To get two sticks working at 3200 did you have to increase any voltages other than ram volts?
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