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So what happens when the game dips below 60 in WoW? It isnt a shooter, I dont understand the issue other than it not feeling like you think it did with the Intel setup you have. Nothing happens in a raid, dungeon, or PvP in WoW that 30fps is perfectly acceptable in. I understand wanting it to be better than what you had.

Well its the stutter that happens when dipping below vsync, just like any game. I have looked into gsync/freesync but from what i can gather, in WoW its not like other games where a synced panel will even out the FPS but rather there is so much on your screen that is the real source of the stutter.

WoW is actually incredibly intensive on a PC in the spots that actually matter(raids busy zones etc). Because most people dont understand this they scoff at the idea of talking about WoW performance, in reality its one of the hardest things you can run on your PC in the right scenario.

If you havent raided in WoW you cant understand what it feels like when there are 25 people (used to be 40) and a bunch of mobs with spell effects, 30 fps in WoW does not feel like 30 fps in another game, its far far worse.
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So what happens when the game dips below 60 in WoW? It isnt a shooter, I dont understand the issue other than it not feeling like you think it did with the Intel setup you have. Nothing happens in a raid, dungeon, or PvP in WoW that 30fps is perfectly acceptable in. I understand wanting it to be better than what you had.

Idc what game it is, big fps dips are annoying period. If 90 % of what he plays is wow and the ryzen chip is performing much worse than it should in that specific game, I don't really blame him for just going with a chip that will work like it should...
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There are 2*16GB B-dies around. However, they are double sided and should create complexities for this platform.

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That is the whole problem with me. I don't mind getting e double sided Rams. I am just not sure if this frequency problem will be fixed later or I am not sure if MOBO manufacturers have things in board that can not be fixed with software. To me getting the Ram is the biggest issue now since I would prefer to have 32Gb of ram. So sad with ryzen and memory issues.

EDIT: I guess this memory should work better
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Well its the stutter that happens when dipping below vsync, just like any game. I have looked into gsync/freesync but from what i can gather, in WoW its not like other games where a synced panel will even out the FPS but rather there is so much on your screen that is the real source of the stutter.

WoW is actually incredibly intensive on a PC in the spots that actually matter(raids busy zones etc). Because most people dont understand this they scoff at the idea of talking about WoW performance, in reality its one of the hardest things you can run on your PC in the right scenario.

If you havent raided in WoW you cant understand what it feels like when there are 25 people (used to be 40) and a bunch of mobs with spell effects, 30 fps in WoW does not feel like 30 fps in another game, its far far worse.

I've played them all for the last 20 years; 30fps is 30fps. It doesnt matter what game it is. If you're having stutter problems, it is related to something other than dipping below 60fps. You may have a micro-stutter issue, you may be dipping below 30fps though you cant see it (momentary extreme drops in fps) but if you're above 30fps, you arent having stuttering issues that are affecting game play (I've been in 100+ member Nexus runs in Tera and as long as you're over 30, everything casts and moves smoothly just like it does in WoW). Again, I'm not saying it doesnt suck to get what you're experiencing for frame rates when it should be an upgrade to your current system but it also doesnt affect game play.

Edit: You've also claimed that it is CPU bound but still haven't stated CPU utilization from the resource monitor (or another source). Dont just toss the CPU under the bus, investigate other potential issues as well. It very well may be the CPU but I'd certainly explore other areas too.
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I actually haven't thrown the CPU under the bus, ive thrown the WoW engine under the bus lol.

Yes its a shame they arent playing together for whatever reason, but at this point the CPU is the limiting factor. Usage during wow is core 0-3 all boost to my set 3.8ghz overclock and stay there, tested this by unchecking the "limit background fps" and having HWinfo open. The other 4 cores basically sit idle, which is expected. Over a 2 hour play session the average clock rates looked something like this:

0. 3784
1. 3589
2. 3395
3. 3185


Rest of the cores were closer to the idle 1.5ghz speed.

I have tested everything that has been suggested in here including disabling SMT (no change), core affinitly (no change with 4 cores selected), stock bios settings (fps drop, so my overclock is working just fine).

At this point i either play waiting game or move back over to intel with 7700k. It probably already would have happened but newegg does not do returns on CPU's, id have to sell it locally or on ebay or something.
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I actually haven't thrown the CPU under the bus, ive thrown the WoW engine under the bus lol.

Yes its a shame they arent playing together for whatever reason, but at this point the CPU is the limiting factor. Usage during wow is core 0-3 all boost to my set 3.8ghz overclock and stay there, tested this by unchecking the "limit background fps" and having HWinfo open. The other 4 cores basically sit idle, which is expected. Over a 2 hour play session the average clock rates looked something like this:

0. 3784
1. 3589
2. 3395
3. 3185


Rest of the cores were closer to the idle 1.5ghz speed.

I have tested everything that has been suggested in here including disabling SMT (no change), core affinitly (no change with 4 cores selected), stock bios settings (fps drop, so my overclock is working just fine).

At this point i either play waiting game or move back over to intel with 7700k. It probably already would have happened but newegg does not do returns on CPU's, id have to sell it locally or on ebay or something.

And I do understand the frustration; I get low 30s in Neverwinter's Protector's Enclave (on my Intel setup) for no apparent reason but it doesnt affect gameplay, just my head wondering why the hell it plays maxed at v-sync everywhere else even though I'm only getting low 40s for max utilization on the CPU and GPU.
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That scenario wasnt that bad actually since there are no players with you in there. Its very possible i am more aware of the dips than some people due to how much/long ive played this game, but i can say without question the game dips down below 60 fps more than my 2500k rig.

Were you gonna do that run around a busy dalaran?

You said you had issues in the new scenario, that's why the pic is there. Dalaran is everywhere higher than that.The lowest I get (outside of cases like 50 people killing it in underbelly) is where i told you, in the intersection where your purple hearthstone takes you.I saw today drops to 67fps with people around. Outside of heavily quested areas or raids, I simply do not drop below 60. Suramar Dawncleft can be very heavy when the WQ is there with lots of people going for mobs,I recorded a 57 there once. CL14 3200MHz helps I suppose. In raids with player count,spell effects and intense logging, i can have drops in the 40s in the thick of it, like all machines I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYS85FLxT5g

Check the 9min mark. Drops are unavoidable at wow with big fights. That's the nature of the engine.
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So what happens when the game dips below 60 in WoW? It isnt a shooter, I dont understand the issue other than it not feeling like you think it did with the Intel setup you have. Nothing happens in a raid, dungeon, or PvP in WoW that 30fps is perfectly acceptable in. I understand wanting it to be better than what you had.

Nothing happens really. The game in my case is smooth all the way down to 30fps (Below that it gets choppy). There is input lag below 60fps but it is almost entirely irrelevant because WoW has a mechanicsm called Global Cooldown in place. You cannot spam keys since there is a cooldown between two consecutive taps.
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You said you had issues in the new scenario, that's why the pic is there. Dalaran is everywhere higher than that.The lowest I get (outside of cases like 50 people killing it in underbelly) is where i told you, in the intersection where your purple hearthstone takes you.I saw today drops to 67fps with people around. Outside of heavily quested areas or raids, I simply do not drop below 60. Suramar Dawncleft can be very heavy when the WQ is there with lots of people going for mobs,I recorded a 57 there once. CL14 3200MHz helps I suppose. In raids with player count,spell effects and intense logging, i can have drops in the 40s in the thick of it, like all machines I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYS85FLxT5g

Check the 9min mark. Drops are unavoidable at wow with big fights. That's the nature of the engine.

Was hoping for a video of dalaran, appreciate it either way tho : )

That way i could have gauged how many people were on your server in comparison to mine, for example just now i was at the place you describe with dalaran hearthstone and i got down to 44 FPS there but there were also a lot of people right by that mailbox.

I am not discounting the possibility of 1440p getting higher FPS due to the GPU actually getting a bit of work in, curious tho what is your ram running at? I doubt ram speed is gonna play a ton of difference in wow but mine is stuck at cas 15 2400 until i get new set later tonite.

That scenario you ran is appreciated, i will run that later to compare. Do you have a suggestion for a recording software? I used dxtory in the past.
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Was hoping for a video of dalaran, appreciate it either way tho : )

That way i could have gauged how many people were on your server in comparison to mine, for example just now i was at the place you describe with dalaran hearthstone and i got down to 44 FPS there but there were also a lot of people right by that mailbox.

I am not discounting the possibility of 1440p getting higher FPS due to the GPU actually getting a bit of work in, curious tho what is your ram running at? I doubt ram speed is gonna play a ton of difference in wow but mine is stuck at cas 15 2400 until i get new set later tonite.

That scenario you ran is appreciated, i will run that later to compare. Do you have a suggestion for a recording software? I used dxtory in the past.

I run my kit at 14-14-14-34/3200MHz, it is a samsung B die derivative. Speed matters-I could drop to 2133 and check myself actually. Use Shadowplay? I will wait tomorrow for a busy moment somewhere to record a sample with relive. Keep in mind that WoW is nvidia sponsored so a radeon will generally not match an equivalent nvidia card here. I was running geforces until 2014 mostly because of WoW.
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Intel Liquid Cooling (SP120 X2) Win 10  HP 1730 Acer XB2410H 
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Kingston Hyper X 240Gb 3K  Sandisk Ultra II 480gb  Crucial MX300 750gb  Intel 600p 240gb  
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Custom Loop  SP 120 (x4) Windows 10 Professional  Benq XL2411T 144hz screen 
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Acer AL1916W Coolermaster Quickfire TK MX brown w/ ABS Clear... EVGA 750watts G2 Thermaltake Core P3  
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RAZER Imperator BF3 edition RAZER goliathus World of tanks edition Creative gigaworks T40 Series II E10K DAC 
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i5 3570 Asus P8Z77M-Pro Asus HD2400 G.Skill 4gb 1333 
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Linux 3.2.0 \ Open media vault Dell 19 inch Dell OEM poop Coolermaster GS 650M 
Case
NZXT S340 (white) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6700k Z170X Gaming 7 Msi GTX 970  Vengeance red LED 3000mhz DDR4 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung Evo 250gb WD 1TB Blue WD Raptors 150 GB RAID 0  Noctua NF-P14S (x2) 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Intel Liquid Cooling (SP120 X2) Win 10  HP 1730 Acer XB2410H 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MAD CATZ STRIKE 3  Antec HCG 900 NZXT Phantom 630 Cougar 900 
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