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Originally Posted by MNMadman View Post

Those are probably the tightest timings you'll find at 3200, and are likely Samsung B memory chips on that RAM. Looks like a good choice.

If I bought the 4266 kit (19, 19, 19, 39)

Instead of the 3200 kit (14, 14, 14, 34)

Would I be able to set it to 3200 MHZ manually with even lower timings? maybe 10, 11, 11, 26?
Edited by nrpeyton - 4/6/17 at 1:45pm
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Hi Guys/Gals,

I was always an AMD user but ended up grabbing a 3770K, Maximus IV Extreme and some nice G.Skill 2666mhz.

If I sold this rig and went with an 1700 and basic board/2400mhz RAM I'd end up needing to throw a couple of hundred bucks in from my pocket.

With the first Ryzen release would I really see any benefit ?

Daily Driver/Bit of Gaming/Media Streamer uses

With those uses, you should keep what you've got. You won't really see any discernible difference with a Ryzen. Now, if you just want to get it to have it then by all means, jump on board! But if you're really just looking for a performance difference you won't see it unless you do media encoding / rendering or heavy compute tasks.
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I'm inclined to agree on a preliminary basis. The May update will tell us much more, but it certainly seems to be leaning in the direction of IMC variability. I suppose it's a risk with an SoC-type design, but as long as we can get a baseline 3200 out of microcode updates, I think that for the most part people will get the performance they're after. Benchers and people running memory-intensive tasks may have to do a bit of chip-sifting, but that's always been the case. I've got a good chip clockwise that's stable at 4.0GHz for 1.36v, but I've also got what appears to be an average IMC (comfortable at 2933, much more difficult to approach 3200 even on a b-die kit). Once we've seen what May brings, I'll know whether or not I'll be binning a few more R7 chips (in addition to the hex and quads I'll be acquiring shortly). tongue.gif

Perhaps it's not IMC. If I understand correctly IMC differ from DF? What if sample CPU has issue on "Data Fabric" side? We know MCLK affect DFICLK, what if AMD alter some aspect of DFICLK? again these are things just bouncing around in my head. Yeah I'm tempted to get a 3rd to bin, but I just keep getting a feeling Ryzen is like Fiji, if you get what I mean.
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post #8084 of 11756
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If I bought the 4266 kit (19, 19, 19, 39)

Instead of the 3200 kit (14, 14, 14, 34)

Would I be able to set it to 3200 with even lower timings? maybe 10, 10, 10, 20?
Probably not that low -- 14-14-14-34 maybe. The reason? It's probably the same chips as the 3200 14-14-14-34 but just binned differently. It can probably do 3600 16-16-16-36 as well, once the new AGESA code update comes in May.
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Probably not that low -- 14-14-14-34 maybe. The reason? It's probably the same chips as the 3200 14-14-14-34 but just binned differently. It can probably do 3600 16-16-16-36 as well, once the new AGESA code update comes in May.

14, 14, 14, 34 is what I get with the 3200 kit anyway.

So there would be no benefit to getting the faster kit?

Best just to go with the 3200 kit?

The CPU & mobo choice was easy.... but I'm finding "making a decision" on the RAM; a nightmare.
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Perhaps it's not IMC. If I understand correctly IMC differ from DF? What if sample CPU has issue on "Data Fabric" side? We know MCLK affect DFICLK, what if AMD alter some aspect of DFICLK? again these are things just bouncing around in my head. Yeah I'm tempted to get a 3rd to bin, but I just keep getting a feeling Ryzen is like Fiji, if you get what I mean.

My logic was that 3200 runs fine at 1.35v once it gets passed that damn AGESA memory training, I'd say a suspect IMC wouldn't allow that to run.

It's only Vboot I need to change.
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14, 14, 14, 34 is what I get with the 3200 kit anyway.

So there would be no benefit to getting the faster kit?

Best just to go with the 3200 kit?

The CPU & mobo choice was easy.... but I'm finding "making a decision" on the RAM; a nightmare.
I would bet that the faster kit wouldn't do better timings than what you have.
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Perhaps it's not IMC. If I understand correctly IMC differ from DF? What if sample CPU has issue on "Data Fabric" side? We know MCLK affect DFICLK, what if AMD alter some aspect of DFICLK? again these are things just bouncing around in my head. Yeah I'm tempted to get a 3rd to bin, but I just keep getting a feeling Ryzen is like Fiji, if you get what I mean.

 

As the previous owner of a Fury X and three Furies, I do indeed. :p

 

Issues with DF from chip to chip would be an even bigger can of worms, I think. It's bad enough that IMC variability could exist, limiting DF performance for certain chips. Either way, if one or both of these issues are affecting chips, there will be only so much that microcode can do because at a certain point we'd be talking about production errors or hardware flaws. However, if it's a matter of firmware optimisation, then we could see memory adjustments making up the difference in DF shortcomings. Whatever it is, there is clearly some variance at play in terms of memory speeds.

 
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@Skyl3r

I have F4-3200C14D-16GTZ, all same hardware but differing batches of R7 1700.

One with ease did 3200MHz another not, max 2933MHz (link). Several pages back I also linked a set of posts to SuperZan where another user on C6H had same situation but IIRC a 1700 run 3200MHz and the 1700X didn't. These occurrences are not rare from what I'm noting. One guy in the AM4 mobo thread has gone through 4 sets of RAM trying to attain 3200MHz.

I've done some benches at my normal gaming resolution, ie 1440P. FPS is same on 2133MHz C14 vs 3200MHz C14 , so more GPU bound IMO than CPU and I'm talking min, average and MAX here for me. I will share results soon, so far tested Crysis 2, TombRaider 2013, Bioshock Infinite. I'm FRAPS recording the benches, I use in game benches (Crysis 2 a tool on net).

@gupstergDidn't looncraz and iirc a couple others in the strictly technical thread suggest fraps wrecks frame rates or is that irrelevant to your tests? .

@nrpeyton Lower yes. but for some reason ryzen seems to not like 10.. 12 happy, 10 not so much. I finally just plunged in.

So will f4-3600c16d-16gtz play well with my cpu. hmm, not on a qvl. banzai....
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