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Negative. I am running Win7 and I always run it as admin and I still get it.

An update is needed for IBT to run properly on W7 AFAIK. I have to install all available updates for it to run properly.

Anyway, that shouldn't matter. Coverage and time matters more.
post #8732 of 11554
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@gupsterg

That error in IBT can usually be fixed by running the app as Admin and/or running it with Windows 7 compatibility when you are using W10.

Shortcut set to admin. User account admin group. All OS updates installed on W7 available to date smile.gif . Yet to install W10 on R7/X370, will be going dual OS like i5/Z97, really still use W7 more and W10 only really used for TS bench redface.gif .

Does not matter if 1 loop or 3 or 10 or more than 10, Very High pass, Maximum show message at end of a run like bardacuda screenie wink.gif .
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Hi,
this is my ram: CMK16GX4M2B3000C15
Hynix single rank.
My motherboard is asus prime B350 plus.
Latest bios with agesa update.
My clockspeed is 3.8 and my bus is 99.8 as per cpuz
My timings are like 15 17 17 17 35. The ram voltage is 1.35.
I am not able to overclock the ram above 2400 Mhz no matter what.
Other than that the motherboards goes loop.
Sometimes it boot loops 2-3 times and then goes to windows all fine.

Why is this happening to me
A lot of pepole with the same ram are achieving 2933 or 3200, i am very disappointed.
Maybe i am doing something wrong.

Someone please give me some spare help me poor beggar.
post #8734 of 11554
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Originally Posted by gargiulo5000 View Post

Hi,
this is my ram: CMK16GX4M2B3000C15
Hynix single rank.
My motherboard is asus prime B350 plus.
Latest bios with agesa update.
My clockspeed is 3.8 and my bus is 99.8 as per cpuz
My timings are like 15 17 17 17 35. The ram voltage is 1.35.
I am not able to overclock the ram above 2400 Mhz no matter what.
Other than that the motherboards goes loop.
Sometimes it boot loops 2-3 times and then goes to windows all fine.

Why is this happening to me
A lot of pepole with the same ram are achieving 2933 or 3200, i am very disappointed.
Maybe i am doing something wrong.

Someone please give me some spare help me poor beggar.

lol just be patient my dude. You are not alone, i know many people on these boards stuck at 2400 including myself. In time every 3200 kit of ram will work with ryzen.
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lol just be patient my dude. You are not alone, i know many people on these boards stuck at 2400 including myself. In time every 3200 kit of ram will work with ryzen.

Thanks, how we are sure that this is gonna happen and we are not stuck to 2400?

Thanks for helping the poor beggar you will have luck for the next 3 months
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Well I think I figured out how my system is choosing my sub timings at least. It seems to be all be tied to the profiles. I see that B-die chips which work so well with Ryzen have some much looser sub timings compared to my E-die...so I still just need to figure out how to edit those without bricking my RAM. It's too bad the motherboards just don't let us edit these in the BIOS like any other system.

For comparison, my RAM uses these sub timings:

2400MHz:
- tRC 56
- tFAW 26
- tRRDS 5
- tRRDL 7
- tCCDL 7
- tRFC1 312
- tRFC2 192
- tRFC3 132
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

XMP 3200MHz:
- tRC 56
- tFAW 35
- tRRDS 7
- tRRDL 7
- tCCDL 9
- tRFC1 416
- tRFC2 256
- tRFC3 176
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Meanwhile a comparable B-die kit uses these: (I bolded the timings that are looser)

2400MHz:
- tRC 56
- tFAW 26
- tRRDS 5
- tRRDL 7
- tCCDL 7
- tRFC1 420
- tRFC2 312
- tRFC3 192
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

XMP 3200MHz:
- tRC 50
- tFAW 39
- tRRDS 6
- tRRDL 8
- tCCDL 9
- tRFC1 560
- tRFC2 416
- tRFC3 256
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



I did find a thread that at least has a couple of videos on how to use Taiphoon Burner but I haven't dug through it enough yet to figure out all the nuances and caveats of flashing the RAM's EEPROM.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/howto-so-dimms-extreme-boost-1600-to-2133-and-beyond-jedec-xmp.636479/

If anyone that has a clue about this stuff I do accept tips biggrin.gif
Edited by bardacuda - 4/13/17 at 7:42am
post #8737 of 11554
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Thanks, how we are sure that this is gonna happen and we are not stuck to 2400?

Thanks for helping the poor beggar you will have luck for the next 3 months

haha smile.gif

Well i dont "know" but it would be a really awkward situation for AMD to have 3200 ram on the market that wasnt compatible with their CPU's, i just cant forsee that situation happening permanently.
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I am mostly set with the main three components(processor, motherboard and memory). Below are some results on the Ryzen voltage and power.

cpu: 1800X
MB: C6H (Asus Crosshair VI)
power:EVGA G2 850W
M.2 storage=GEN3 (960Evo)
PCIEX16_1 graphics=GEN3 (1080ti in nvidia surround with 3 displays)
memory: G-Skill TridentZ F4-3200C16D-16GTZB 2x8GB with Hynix M-die (2017 chips) at 3200-16-16-16-16-36, 1.395V DRAM, 1.1V SB, 0.693V termination VTTDDR
cooler: H60
VDDCR LLC=Level1 to limit voltage spikes (thanks to Raja@ASUS for the oscilloscope chart)
CPU SOC = 1.15V
I kept all other variables in BIOS on Auto and kept SB voltage limited to 1.1V to make these results also transferable to other motherboards such as X370-Pro.
Memory speed will vary for others because this same memory ran at 3200-16 on X370-Pro with 0515 BIOS with 1800X and 2933-14 with 1700X. Same on C6H with 0702 BIOS: 2933-14 with 1700X and 3200-16 with 1800X. The identical pair (also F4-3200C16D-16GTZB) earlier batch only ran at 2400.
I did not vary front side bus (aka BCLK), Pstate, memory interlace or custom clock (FID/DID) to squeeze an extra megahertz for the same reason of results transferability as not all motherboards have these settings.
Windows10 (pre-Creators version) set to performance power plan
In the table below VCORE is CPU core voltage, power measured at the plug (Win idle,CPUZ_1,CPUZ_multi,CB15)
CB score is shown in parentheses after the power. Zero score means CB crashed. No score means it completed but was not recorded.
Some frequencies are repeated to see if power dissipation is more driven by voltage or by frequency.

BIOS 0702
all settings on Auto
1.460 V 3600 MHz 121 W, 137 W, 202 W, 226 W (1589)

manual settings
1.275 V 3900 MHz 121 W, 137 W, 218 W, 243 W (1704)
1.275 V 3925 MHz 129 W, 137 W, 226 W, 243 W (1720)
1.275 V 4000 MHz 129 W, 137 W, 226 W, W (0)

1.300 V 3925 MHz 129 W, 145 W, 226 W, 251 W
1.300 V 3950 MHz 129 W, 137 W, 234 W, 251 W (1724)

1.325 V 3975 MHz 129 W, 145 W, 234 W, W (0)

1.350 V 3900 MHz 129 W, 137 W, 234 W, 267 W (1713)
1.350 V 3975 MHz 129 W, 137 W, 234 W, 267 W (1733)

1.375 V 4000 MHz 129 W, 137 W, 243 W, 275 W (1747)

1.400 V 4025 MHz 129 W, 145 W, 251 W, 283 W (0)

1.425 V 4025 MHz W, W, W, 291 W (1763)
1.425 V 4050 MHz 129 W, 145 W, 259 W, 291 W (1774)
1.425 V 4075 MHz 129 W, 145 W, 259 W, 283 W (0)

1.450 V 4075 MHz 129 W, 153 W, 267 W, 299 W (0)
1.456 V 4075 MHz 129 W, 145 W, 259 W, 299 W (1760)


Summary:
Exorbitant power dissipation (pushing 300Watts for the computer) from overclock generates a puny gain of going from 1704 (92 Watts cpu load at 3900 MHz) to 1760 (176Watts cpu load at 4075).
A reportedly unstable 0702 BIOS ran fine and did not crash during these tests.
Cinebench is a harsher stress than CPU-Z. CPU-Z maxes all threads, but CB somehow piles on additional 30-40 Watts of power. I would like to know how CB does that.


Other Notes:
Memory manufacturer and die type was read by Thaiphoon.
Power was measured with hardware (Cyberpower CP1350PFCLCD) wattage reading at the power plug and is typically +/-4W for the readings at Windows idle, CPUZ single core and CPUZ multicore are shown.
Example arithmetic to work out the per-core wattage at 1.275V 3900MHz: (218W-137W)/7= 11.5W per core in CPUZ_multi. 11.5*8=92Watts for the processor. Caveat: +/- 4-5W.
Fan_CPU, CPU_opt and AIO_pump were set to maximum to avoid power variation with temperature.
Prime95 for 24 hours was not run at each setting for time reasons. Feel free to run it on your Ryzen and post an update next month, that is if your Ryzen lasts.


Future work:
BIOS 1002
BIOS 1102 (when it's released, presumably with AGESA 1004a update)
Windows10 (Creators update released yesterday) set to performance power plan
BIOS 1102 (with Win10C)
Ubuntu Linux 17.04 reportedly with Ryzen capability released today

would be nice if Asus R&D were to publish a similar format summary with their BIOS test versions (with caveat that individual results @ >3000 CPU and 2133 RAM will vary) using a simple reproducible methodology.
Edited by 1TM1 - 4/16/17 at 6:58pm
post #8739 of 11554
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Originally Posted by gargiulo5000 View Post

Hi,
this is my ram: CMK16GX4M2B3000C15
Hynix single rank.
My motherboard is asus prime B350 plus.
Latest bios with agesa update.
My clockspeed is 3.8 and my bus is 99.8 as per cpuz
My timings are like 15 17 17 17 35. The ram voltage is 1.35.
I am not able to overclock the ram above 2400 Mhz no matter what.
Other than that the motherboards goes loop.
Sometimes it boot loops 2-3 times and then goes to windows all fine.

Why is this happening to me
A lot of pepole with the same ram are achieving 2933 or 3200, i am very disappointed.
Maybe i am doing something wrong.

Someone please give me some spare help me poor beggar.

Try your RAM with 1.35V and start with real loose timings, like 18-18-18-40 or somesuch. I know with straps over 2400 or so you have to use even timings (at least in the first position). It's a place to start, there are definitely more knowledgeable people here though!
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Try your RAM with 1.35V and start with real loose timings, like 18-18-18-40 or somesuch. I know with straps over 2400 or so you have to use even timings (at least in the first position). It's a place to start, there are definitely more knowledgeable people here though!

Nah some ram on some boards simply wont post above 2400 no matter what you do. Also that even number thing is not real either, i had a 4000 kit that i had at cas 15 2933.
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