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So he is using the exact same physical RAM sticks and CPU that you used in your board? (Not same model...THE same physical piece of hardware) If not then your comparison doesn't make sense and you can easily attribute that to different RAM or different IMC (CPU).

No the same model. There is no IMC issues here guys, it was just simply a rushed launch....no conspiracy theories.
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Will try it mate smile.gif .

From when I discussed it with The Stilt in another thread (is on C6H as well) and ref'ing Elmor's post in AM4 mobo thread/C6HOC guide, it drops PCI-E Gen automatically at xxx BCLK. I have not changed it from whatever is default, which maybe [Auto], but will try wink.gif .

Today's a "tinker free day" for me wink.gif .

Around 109 my video card started showing artifacts so I dropped it manually; it's possible you're right on the edge of stability prior to the board switching generations automatically. And what is this tinker free blasphemy?!
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No the same model. There is no IMC issues here guys, it was just simply a rushed launch....no conspiracy theories.

You're the one with the conspiracy theory that the RAM issues are entirely board related. It's well known that different CPUs and RAM can have different characteristics even if they're the same model. You can't just say it's 100% surely all the motherboard's fault when the evidence points to the ability of the CPU's IMC and the different RAM ICs.
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You're the one with the conspiracy theory that the RAM issues are entirely board related. It's well known that different CPUs and RAM can have different characteristics even if they're the same model. You can't just say it's 100% surely all the motherboard's fault when the evidence points to the ability of the CPU's IMC and the different RAM ICs.

I dont disagree its odd that people arent getting ram to the same speed given same parts, i just cant forsee a situation where someone is on newegg 3 months from now and picks up a set of 3200 ram on sale with a promo code and it not work with the board they picked. Its just too early, and trying to analyze it is pointless until we get more bios's out.

Plus there are a lot more people getting ram speed increases with each bios updates than there are of people with the same hardware getting different results, at least from what ive seen on here.
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@bardacuda

And to a point, user know-how. thumb.gif
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And if 2 months from now there are people that bought 3200MHz RAM kits based on your advice here today and it doesn't work at those speeds, are you gonna refund them? Even if they move their CPU and RAM over to a better motherboard? Probably not. So you shouldn't be telling people this.

And the fact that people are getting improvements with BIOS updates is just more evidence that the problem isn't motherboard related. If nothing changed with the motherboard hardware, but it shows improvement with different microcode that effects how the CPU and it's IMC works, what does that tell you?
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And if 2 months from now there are people that bought 3200MHz RAM kits based on your advice here today and it doesn't work at those speeds, are you gonna refund them? Even if they move their CPU and RAM over to a better motherboard? Probably not. So you shouldn't be telling people this.

No but im also not going to tell them to spend DOUBLE the amount for a set of "amd approved" memory either, because common sense denotes these ram issues are down to an early launch and board manufactures not having enough time to validate kits. I have seen more than a handful of people buy gskill flare kits and can only get them to 2933.
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No but im also not going to tell them to spend DOUBLE the amount for a set of "amd approved" memory either, because common sense denotes these ram issues are down to an early launch and board manufactures not having enough time to validate kits. I have seen more than a handful of people buy gskill flare kits and can only get them to 2933.

And nobody was saying to do that when you made this claim. He was saying it's probably CPU related, not suggesting to go buy expensive RAM. Meanwhile you're suggesting to use a different motherboard.
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tbh, I strongly suspect that the CPU is the limitation and not the board. In the C6H thread a few people bought a second CPU and then suddenly had their old RAM and board doing 3200 with ease. It also seems to affect all R7 SKUs.
Either the IMC or maybe even the data fabric, which is bound to memory speed, is limiting the memory speeds.

I'm just speculating here, but I'd be surprised if actually the boards themselves are limiting in most cases.

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This conversation was sparked by someone worried why they were stuck at 2400, please try and keep up.
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Right, and Lazarus suggested loosening the timings, and f1LL suggested it's probably CPU related. You suggested they should use a different board and said that all 3200MHz kits will 100% work in 2 months. You seem to be missing the point.
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