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Nobody since gargiulo posted told him to buy expensive RAM.

But when the guy posted asking for advice on why his ram was stuck at 2400 you know he was implying whether he should keep it or return for more expensive stuff that has had better early results with ryzen. I was in this same spot as he was a couple weeks ago, i decided to try a 4000 kit of trident and when i got it and it was still not able to do 3200 i KNEW it was a problem with a combination of boards and ram, and people need to just be patient.

I am 100% confident my ripjaws cas 16 will hit 3200 eventually, and would put any amount of money on that prediction.
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I dont think it's as simple as that either. If the new microcode does indeed lead to better compatibility, it suggests the IMC is just fine (which I believe it to be).

True but then people have had luck with ProDT and changing the ohms which leads me to believe some IMCs have different resistance and changing it from the BIOS is whats causing it to work.

This is all in theory but it does make total sense if you think about it. We don't even know why the ram is failing at 3200 but not 2933 (mine is fine at 2933 even with timings set to 16-16-16-16-36) but its an instant fail at 3200mhz at any dram voltage and any soc voltage.

Waiting for the official 082/1002 BIOS to get the ProDT thing a try. But heres where the proof is, some people with my same exact ram and version have gotten to 3200mhz and thats hynix ram. Theyve done it using docp standard and for me thats a fail. It worked once and only once (which leads me to believe at that time the IMC picked it up then wtv happened after a cold boot never again)

So i know for a fact it can do 3200mhz since it did once, but what happened since then? If it was the board it would have worked again lol.
    
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have to agree with you scotty, the bios are rubbish, they will probably continue to be rubbish to try to force you to buy there highest priced board only.
mine has loads of simple features missing, I know they just want to make me buy the titanium if i want those features.
i can say that there testing has shown a lot more types of ram and drives on there qvl list though.

These bios's are SO early they dont even know how we should be overclocking lol.

Every bios asrock put out prior to 2.0 you could simply change multi and use offset volts and clocks/volts would come down at idle. 2.0 they changed that completely to where you need to use P states to get cool n quiet to work.

Its just so obvious to me that bios+memory is the problem, kinda blows my mind people are suggesting CPU's are the problem.
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I'm not entirely sure about the exact setups of those people, but I can remember @SpecChum did exchange his 1700 and got improvements on RAM speed. Maybe he can chime in and tell us about BIOS versions and whatnot.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/8460#post_26005266

I just put the new CPU in, didn't even clear CMOS, so every setting was identical.

Booted right up at 3200.

For me it was 100% the CPU.

I do think the May AGESA update will improve this, however. I even think my old CPU will probably boot 3200 at that point.

Reason I don't think it's the IMC directly is once the old one booted at 3200, Windows was fine (I had to set vboot to 1.43v - and that it was a crapshoot - Windows reboots never worked), even at the standard 1.35v. It's the training it gets stuck on; once it's trained it's 100% A-OK.
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These bios's are SO early they dont even know how we should be overclocking lol.

Every bios asrock put out prior to 2.0 you could simply change multi and use offset volts and clocks/volts would come down at idle. 2.0 they changed that completely to where you need to use P states to get cool n quiet to work.

Its just so obvious to me that bios+memory is the problem, kinda blows my mind people are suggesting CPU's are the problem.

Um because people have had different CPUs make it work on the same bios on the same board with the same memory? Clearly common sense eludes you on this one.

I'm on who got to try out my same ram and same cpu on TWO different boards with probably half a dozen BIOSes. Neither board is a constant 3200. The gigabyte did it at 2666 (hadn't tried 2933 though it died before i could) and the asus does it at 2933 and both failed at 3200 no matter the settings.
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I just put the new CPU in, didn't even clear CMOS, so every setting was identical.

Booted right up at 3200.

For me it was 100% the CPU.

I do think the May AGESA update will improve this, however. I even think my old CPU will probably boot 3200 at that point.

Reason I don't think it's the IMC directly is once the old one booted at 3200, Windows was fine (I had to set vboot to 1.43v - and that it was a crapshoot - Windows reboots never worked), even at the standard 1.35v. It's the training it gets stuck on; once it's trained it's 100% A-OK.

The exact same thing happened to me but my cpu is too golden for me to even consider buying another one haha. It does have something to do with the training i agree but thats on AMDs side and the IMC is pretty much involved in every single step involving RAM obviously. I think that people having luck with ProDT suggests that changing the resistance helps so could be that some IMCs need more resistance then less. I doubt the boards have different resistances considering they are all built identically lol.
    
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I just put the new CPU in, didn't even clear CMOS, so every setting was identical.

Booted right up at 3200.

For me it was 100% the CPU.

I do think the May AGESA update will improve this, however. I even think my old CPU will probably boot 3200 at that point.

Reason I don't think it's the IMC directly is once the old one booted at 3200, Windows was fine (I had to set vboot to 1.43v - and that it was a crapshoot - Windows reboots never worked), even at the standard 1.35v. It's the training it gets stuck on; once it's trained it's 100% A-OK.

vcore and memory speeds are tied to one another due to the speed of the infinity fabric being dependent on ram speeds; this may potentially be true for vsoc, but in my testing increasing vsoc from 0.95v to 1.15 did absolutely nothing for memory/overall stability at 3200.

Increasing my vcore by 25mV helped stabilize my ram @ 3.8ghz on my 1700, while I am able to drop vSOC from the default 1.1v all the way down to 0.94v and maintain stability after 4 hours of x264 loops.

Setting a manual cpu voltage at the stock cpu settings, while increasing ram multis may shed some light on this. If your kit stops booting past a certain point up your vcore by 10-20mV jumps (whatever the minimum is for your boards granularity). There are a TON of reasons why people are having different experiences between kits, ranging from bios updates to user error.
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Speaking of ODT...does anyone know where to find which values to use for which ICs? I tried looking on Samsung's data sheet and best I can tell it is 40 ohms...but there are references to 34 ohms, 40 ohms, 50 ohms, and even 120 and 240 ohms; but I can't make heads or tails of it.
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IDD Measurements are done after properly initializing the DDR4 SDRAM. This includes but is not limited to setting
RON = RZQ/7 (34 Ohm in MR1);
RTT_NOM = RZQ/6 (40 Ohm in MR1);
RTT_WR = RZQ/2 (120 Ohm in MR2);
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Internal(self) calibration : Internal self calibration through ZQ pin
(RZQ : 240 ohm ± 1%)



Oops, that was the B-die data sheet, but the E-die data sheet has the same info.
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True but then people have had luck with ProDT and changing the ohms which leads me to believe some IMCs have different resistance and changing it from the BIOS is whats causing it to work.

This is all in theory but it does make total sense if you think about it. We don't even know why the ram is failing at 3200 but not 2933 (mine is fine at 2933 even with timings set to 16-16-16-16-36) but its an instant fail at 3200mhz at any dram voltage and any soc voltage.

Waiting for the official 082/1002 BIOS to get the ProDT thing a try. But heres where the proof is, some people with my same exact ram and version have gotten to 3200mhz and thats hynix ram. Theyve done it using docp standard and for me thats a fail. It worked once and only once (which leads me to believe at that time the IMC picked it up then wtv happened after a cold boot never again)

So i know for a fact it can do 3200mhz since it did once, but what happened since then? If it was the board it would have worked again lol.

I spent the better part of a day messing with ProcODT and wasnt able to see any differences in performance (for better or worse). I was hoping since 3200 was so easy, maybe 3600 would be no problem but I haven't found any settings for true stability (whatever we measure that at) at 3600 yet.
Edited by madweazl - 4/13/17 at 10:12am
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Hi,
this is my ram: CMK16GX4M2B3000C15
Hynix single rank.
My motherboard is asus prime B350 plus.
Latest bios with agesa update.
My clockspeed is 3.8 and my bus is 99.8 as per cpuz
My timings are like 15 17 17 17 35. The ram voltage is 1.35.
I am not able to overclock the ram above 2400 Mhz no matter what.
Other than that the motherboards goes loop.
Sometimes it boot loops 2-3 times and then goes to windows all fine.

Why is this happening to me
A lot of pepole with the same ram are achieving 2933 or 3200, i am very disappointed.
Maybe i am doing something wrong.

Someone please give me some spare help me poor beggar.

I have the same memory and get 2666 out of it simply by enabling DOCP, setting 1.35 dram voltage and selecting 2666 speed. I can't manage to get 2933 out of it though. Everything else on auto. though the fact that I used one of the TPU profiles as a starting point for my manual OC of 3.9 may be a factor. I haven't messed with SoC voltage though, and v-core is on auto.

Edit: also when you change the voltage to 1.35 make sure it takes, sometimes when you set it is still defaults to 1.20 when entering windows. go back minto the bios after setting it and make sure the actual value changed, then try 2666.
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im getting angrier over this carbon board, I spent the night overclocking it to 3900 and getting it to pass ibt avx on max, it did.
I got up today and tried super pi, and noticed that my cpu was going at 3200-3750mhz, which is not what I had put in bios.
I cant change the cl with out it down clocking the ram, the others do change.
there is no raid system I can find on it, when selecting raid, there's no software to configure the drives that I have found.
and there the no off-set voltage in bios either.

you know I don't care about most of this, I did have a pet cat till about three weeks ago, someone stole my cat for god sake. mad.gif

I can't help you much with your system problems, but for some encouragement about your cat just keep your hopes up. I had a cat that was missing for 20 months that we recovered when someone took him to a Vet and the vet scanned his ID chip. he's back home and happy as ever
 
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