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Noone's pushed ram in excess of 4000 yet that I know of. . Your motherboard would not be one of the ones that currently might do it and unless it's really discounted heavily I'd pass. For any ram purchase though, ram prices do not look to drop for a few months til new fabs spin up. Last I saw that was expected to start having an effect on pricing 5 months from now?

Inftinity fabric can run faster, already has run at a higher ratio on ES bios. I suspect there were problems, not obvious, that are prevented by it's current functional speed limitation.
Stilt mentioned it running at 1:1 in the ryzen strictly technical thread.

Ah i see. Thanks for the heads up. Are ram prices, mainly the DDR4 overpriced right now? I heard that there was a shortage hence an increase last month.
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Ram overall is currently overpriced due to the high demand for the mobile-market (because some people think they need 6gb+ Ram on their smartphones for some reason) and the desktop market is simply not as important. Therefor we have kind of a shortage.
But DDR4 is the worst with pricing that's for sure as there is still tons of DDR 3/2 on the market from earlier production.
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RAM pricing is demand driven, True

Desktop market not as important, False

Shortage, False- there are tons of DDR4 RAM elsewhere.

DDR4 having the worst pricing, False. It so happened that Pricing for known GOOD sets are high at the moment. But last year, or even 2015, that was not the case.

Early 2015, the prices are high due to them fairly new in the market. Late 2015, the 32GB kits were priced around the same as 16GB kits at launch.

Now that a lot of platforms use them as standard, the demand is simply overwhelming with Intel releasing higher and higher speed compatibility on each of their mainstream platform.

You were either late to the party or have just recently looked at their pricing. My 3200C14Q costs just a bit more than half of their current pricing. That was bought early last year.
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I would give anything for that to be my issue right now. lol I think its either a bad ram kit or bad board. Im thinking ram but id hate to get back and have it bsod more. Its a hour and a half drive to the city.

What testing did you do? Fresh windows install? Put ram back to 2133 and tried single sticks one at a time? Tried bumping ram and soc voltage?
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I have had crashes when migrating large data from one physical drive to another. Most of that was resolved by isolating the cache software which wasn't playing nice.

Chrome was acting up for a day or so. This may have been issues with explorer.

Some hardware monitoring tools have suspect stability issues.

AMDs in the past (as it has been my experience - your mileage may vary) required additional voltages when OC'd or significantly stepped to overcome voltage droops. The downside is of course excess heat and overshoot / undershoot scenarios when switching FETs. Some instability of this is of course mitigated by reducing the CPU temp. The +20 temp offset pushed out the the mobo manufacturers indicate this was as much the case today as it was years ago.

Under auto settings 1.275 - 1.35 -> 1.4 -> 1.5 n' change is commonplace.

For temp monitoring Ryzen Master ver. 1.01 (the latest from a few days ago) reports accurate temps for the 1700x and 1800x. At room temp I tend to idle around 28c on my 1800x.

I took some time and eliminated the startup of many unnecessary programs which also seemed to help with windows stability. I have not had any issues with gaming, but I am at the GPU limit with my current device.

If your having a lot of crashes it may be worth your time to create a custom view in windows event viewer to track the issues and tweak as appropriate. thumb.gif
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Updated my Killer to bios 2.10 and my ram won't post over 2133... Granted before I had it at 2400 c12. My dual sided ram doesn't play nicely with Ryzen one bit. Might roll back a couple bios or 2....
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I was looking at the advice of not using LLC on my CH6 today. I had an offset voltage of .125, at 1.46 in bios dropping to 1.395 on heavy load. With no LLC, I could not get 4GHZ to run Realbench without WHEA errors showing up. I probably would have had to crank the offset to hit 1.5 volts. So I dropped the speed down to 3.9, and for giggles set the offset down to .0625. It runs perfectly fine at that speed and settings. All temps were the same or cooler as running stock speeds, and I don't have the voltage spikes like I did on stock settings hitting up to 1.485 on the Vcore.

That is an insane difference for 100mhz. 3.9 with 3200 CAS 14 is where I think I will probably stop chasing clock speed. Time to play more games.
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Updated my Killer to bios 2.10 and my ram won't post over 2133... Granted before I had it at 2400 c12. My dual sided ram doesn't play nicely with Ryzen one bit. Might roll back a couple bios or 2....

What RAM? My 3200 2x16gb has been at 2933 for the past several BIOS and works fine on 2.1
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I was looking at the advice of not using LLC on my CH6 today. I had an offset voltage of .125, at 1.46 in bios dropping to 1.395 on heavy load. With no LLC, I could not get 4GHZ to run Realbench without WHEA errors showing up. I probably would have had to crank the offset to hit 1.5 volts. So I dropped the speed down to 3.9, and for giggles set the offset down to .0625. It runs perfectly fine at that speed and settings. All temps were the same or cooler as running stock speeds, and I don't have the voltage spikes like I did on stock settings hitting up to 1.485 on the Vcore.

That is an insane difference for 100mhz. 3.9 with 3200 CAS 14 is where I think I will probably stop chasing clock speed. Time to play more games.

For reference, I do 3.9@1.331 with LLC 2

100mhz up or down is .1v more or less.
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I am fine with letting it sit at 1.355, for the time being, but that's good to know.
post #8990 of 11524
Alright....well after some RAM issues I've gotten it to take at 2933 thanks to SavageBunny and SuperZan.
Here are the photos and validation.

http://valid.x86.fr/trq88r







Edited by HexagonRabbit - 4/15/17 at 5:45pm
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