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TCTL for X chips running on older BIOS.

If you are using a new BIOS, this, somewhat, has been implemented already.

HWInfo shows TCTL and TDie. TDie corresponds to what the latest Ryzen Master shows for temps. While TCTL is TDie+20.

No other temp sensors follow the offset rule.
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Originally Posted by mus1mus View Post

TCTL for X chips running on older BIOS.

If you are using a new BIOS, this, somewhat, has been implemented already.

HWInfo shows TCTL and TDie. TDie corresponds to what the latest Ryzen Master shows for temps. While TCTL is TDie+20.

No other temp sensors follow the offset rule.

I am running Bios Ver. 1002 on a C6H and getting around 50 - 55 idle temps. So those should be 30 - 35 degrees instead?

It makes a huge difference when setting fan curves.

Thanks!
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Holy #^%# just backed off on my CPU from 4.0 to 3.95 to lower volts and temps a bit. Not sure what I did but I appear to have the magic Voltage/frequency dialed My CB r15 went from 1768 to 1887.

Edited by AcesAndDueces - 4/16/17 at 10:29am
post #9025 of 11676
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Originally Posted by hotbrass View Post

I am running Bios Ver. 1002 on a C6H and getting around 50 - 55 idle temps. So those should be 30 - 35 degrees instead?

It makes a huge difference when setting fan curves.

Thanks!

C6H so far has had no tCTL correction for "X" CPU.

On C6H the SIO CPU Sensor is used for fan profiles. In HWiNFO what is shown under ASUS CROSSHAIR VI HERO (ITE IT8665E). This also can have a +5C offset from tCTL, Elmor the Asus MB RD guy posted about it in C6H OC thread.

So even if tDIE (which is not real sensor but tCTL-20C) is say 70C on load, "fan profile" will think CPU is at 90C. And same goes for Ryzen Master, if it show 70C, UEFI thinks it's 90C so increase fans.
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Wrong.

If you take your time to check your PSU spec, you will see which rails the majority of the Power Output go.

Example
http://www.evga.com/products/Specs/PSU.aspx?pn=c72f40f5-f7c2-4485-84d6-9c2bc900b8eb

Rails exclusive of +12V - max of 120W.

And check the pin assignment on the 24-pin to see if that is capable of 560W.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX

In a 24-pin motherboard pinout, there are only FOUR +12V rails. Compare that to a 6-pin PCIe cable that is rated to 75W - 150W and you get the idea.

Do not assume maximum theoritical Wattage each type of socket is capable of.

God knows what kind of connector they put into the 8-pin and 4-pin EPS sockets. If you are too keen to look, check out the difference between the actual pins on the 8-pin EPS your mobo has and compare those pins to what your GPU has on the PCIe Power.

Hint -
8 Pin EPS uses thin folded pins on the motherboard side.
8-pin PCIe uses solid pins.
Modular PSU sockets have solid pins.

Thin folded pins are easily prone to loose connections that result to incidents like burnt EPS sockets.

Again, if your PSU does'nt come with an Extra 4+4 pin EPS, it's just crap. But you can always convert one of those PCIe cables to an EPS if you want to. Simple job. Not rocket science.

Looked, it does 70 amps on +12v. Which = 840 watts

I had another look at the 24 pin layout too, but I can't see four +12v. I only see two +12v (which is pins 10 and 11).

1 +3.3v
2 +3.3v
3 GND
4 +5v
5 GND
6 +5v
7 GND
8 PWR_ok
9 +5VSB
10 +12v
11 +12v
12 +3.3v

13 +3.3v
14 -12v
15 GND
16 PS_ON#
17 GND
18 GND
19 GND
20- 5v (obsolete / reserved)
21 +5v
22 +5v
23 +5v
24 GND

So if a +12v can only supply 120w, then that means the huge 24-pin can only actually supply about 240 watts to the CPU (as CPU only runs off 12v rail).

Makes more sense now, I wasn't factoring that the CPU only runs off the 12v rail. (I was confusing the output capability of the entire 24-pin cable, with which part of that is actually only used by the CPU).
Edited by nrpeyton - 4/16/17 at 11:34am
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Ehm guys?

Can someone confirm this or is this complete hokum from this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6LP9glKmc

It sounds like he knows what he is talking about but i really doubt this can be true to be honest.
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Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post

C6H so far has had no tCTL correction for "X" CPU.

On C6H the SIO CPU Sensor is used for fan profiles. In HWiNFO what is shown under ASUS CROSSHAIR VI HERO (ITE IT8665E). This also can have a +5C offset from tCTL, Elmor the Asus MB RD guy posted about it in C6H OC thread.

So even if tDIE (which is not real sensor but tCTL-20C) is say 70C on load, "fan profile" will think CPU is at 90C. And same goes for Ryzen Master, if it show 70C, UEFI thinks it's 90C so increase fans.

Nice info.

Apparently, the K7 uses another CPU sensor for the fans. Weird offset too. TCTL - 35C redface.gif
post #9029 of 11676
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Originally Posted by AcesAndDueces View Post

Holy #^%# just backed off on my CPU from 4.0 to 3.95 to lower volts and temps a bit. Not sure what I did but I appear to have the magic Voltage/frequency dialed My CB r15 went from 1768 to 1887.

I am getting the same results. My CB R15 scores are higher in the 3.9 range. My highest score 1789 was at 3.6 but I haven't been able to duplicate that and that was early in my OC testing and didnt write down my settings. So it just sits at the top of my graph haunting me.
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Nice info.

Apparently, the K7 uses another CPU sensor for the fans. Weird offset too. TCTL - 35C redface.gif

NP smile.gif . Must be the SIO chip? must be all mobo the SIO chip reads TCTL does it's own "magic" and as it controls fans we see more "magic" LOL.

It's even more confusing than I posted, that was simple version redface.gif . See point 2 in this post.
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