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Originally Posted by rv8000 View Post

Just to clear this up...

ASUS CH6 is 4+2
Taichi is 6+2
Fatality pro is 6+2
K7 and G5 are 6+2
MSI Xpower is 6+2

In terms of overall power delivery quality: Taichi, F. pro and The CH6 are roughly equivalent (CH6 being the best) > K7=G5 > possibly the biostar GT7? > Xpower redface.gif

GT7 is also 4+2 running IR35201, its power delivery is working quite well for me.
post #9062 of 11538
Ryzen - Mythbusters R5/Taichi edition how to 32g dual rank.
https://youtu.be/MwM7HmREc5Y
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Finally pushed a bit further set 3.8ghz and 1.35vcore first attempt and it's stable. Stock cooler too maxing out a 64c. I'm tempted to try for 4ghz but don't wanna be greedy.
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i got the ram timing down on my ram on the carbon, cheap ram and ram setting to play with. 14.16.16.34 tested fine from the 16.18.18.36.
    
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Just to clear this up...

ASUS CH6 is 4+2
Taichi is 6+2
Fatality pro is 6+2
K7 and G5 are 6+2
MSI Xpower is 6+2

In terms of overall power delivery quality: Taichi, F. pro and The CH6 are roughly equivalent (CH6 being the best) > K7=G5 > possibly the biostar GT7? > Xpower redface.gif

 

Nope. GT7 is in the first tier. Read up on the components.

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8137/biostar-x370gt7-motherboard-review/index3.html

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Hot damn! That is an expensive VRM; it uses all International Rectifier control and power stage hardware. It starts off with the fully digital IR35201 working in 6+2 phase mode. Four of the six main phases are routed to four IR3599 doublers, which then output to two IR3555.

 

The IR3555 are International Rectifier's second-generation of 60A fully integrated power stages. They are some of the highest rated power stages on the market. I don't know much about the inductors, but the capacitors are rated 5K. The SOC rail gets two PWM channels, which are then routed to two IR3599, and then to four IR3555M


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He is correct about what parts it is equipped with, but they won't be a limiting factor on any of the current AM4 cpu overclocks.

He did use 125 C examples which I think would be quite impossible to reach on the Titanium ( 48 C in the example below) .

I flashed my Titanium to a new bios today and started working my way back to a daily overclock - here is an example of temps etc on the Titanium at 4100mhz during prime 95 blend.


I looked at the screenshots you linked, very closely.

To be honest I'm impressed:

222 watts load on the CPU, but your v.core only moved by 8 milli volts (between min and maximum) at that load.

That looks pretty smooth to me.

I'd love to put that board under LN2 to see if it still holds up. (just pure curiosity).

Due to CPU's all being more energy efficient these days, motherboards should really be getting cheaper.
VRM's don't need to be as beefy.

(That 222 watt load was at (I presume) your maximum overclock).

Compare the TDP of the 1800x of 95 watts (or 65 watts of 1700) with 220 watts of the FX-9590.

Then you realise, VRM's only need to be half the size.

Prices we are paying should reflect this; but unfortunately its actually getting worse (more expensive), not cheaper.

Profit margins of these companies must be looking pretty healthy just now. Unfortunately at our cost.

Hopefully that's the point buildzoid (and gamers-nexus) was trying to convey in that video.

It's a good board, just the price is unreasonable for a 6+2.

I love how cost is now reflected in the vrms, if you think the vrms make the overall cost of the board then .. sure the you tube guy is right (cause everything in the internet is true right? )

There's r and d, which the more complex the board is the more it costs.

There's new tech. The more new stuff it has (ie u2, m.2, leds, knobs, buttons, and features ) the higher the cost.

There's further development costs ( you really think bios updates are free? )

Warranty (yep, we pay for it)

Support.


Ect ect ect. Frankly the vrms are provably one of the cheapest parts to worry about

And again the titanium vrms are plenty good enough
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Nope. GT7 is in the first tier. Read up on the components.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8137/biostar-x370gt7-motherboard-review/index3.html

There are 6 (author says 4) IR 3599 doublers, makes more sense that the board is 4+2, im no expert though. The IR 3555m are 60A, so either way the board is potentially equivalent to the CH6 depending on the quality of the doublers and chokes used. Always liked biostar.

*Nevermind. I thought I remembered the spec sheet for the 35201 allowing for 4+x configuration, but seems it's restricted to 8+0, 7+1, and 6+2. I find it very odd that Biostar didn't double the secondary/SOC phases like every other manf. though.
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just noticed that if you have cinebench open and then use software to change clock, you can rig your bench mark. biggrin.gif
    
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just noticed that if you have cinebench open and then use software to change clock, you can rig your bench mark. biggrin.gif

Yah its called w10 rtc hacking..

Its why w10 = not recognized by ocing leagues
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Tried asking in the general AMD forum and was directed here, i know, i dont have a 1700+ but help is greatly appreciated ! smile.gif

I just recently upgraded my 9 year old core i7 920 and oh man does it feel fantastic!!


old system
CPU - 1st gen core i7 920 @3.7ghz
Cooler - Xigmatek Dark knight
MB - Intel DX58SO
Ram - 6gb G.Skill 1600mhz triple channel ddr3 9-9-9-24 1.66v
GPU - XFX radeon HD7770
PSU - Silverstone Decathlon 850w
HDD - 640gb WDC Black

New System
CPU - Ryzen 5 1600 @3.8ghz 1.29v-1.319v
Cooler - Amd Wraith Spire
MB - Asus Prime B350-Plus
Ram - 16gb G.Skill Flare- X 2400mhz Dual channel 16-16-16-39 1.2v
GPU - XFX Radeon RX480 8gb 1320mhz/2120mhz
PSU - Silverstone Decathlon 850w
SSD - Samsung 850 Evo 250gb
HDD - 640gb WDC black

Night and day difference between these two systems, the ryzen system is just...... oh so sweet and the intel system.... well, lets just say i give intel an A++ for longevity, but ADIOS!!! Good Riddance!! Intel will not be missed...


I'm still in the process of getting everything stable and playing with the overclocks, But I do have some questions if anyone is capable of answering them, that'd be great!



#1 - With every single setting in the bios set to auto aka Optimal Defaults, cpu voltage ranges/spikes from 0.4volts to almost 1.5volts, Even with EPU power setting enabled volts still spike to around 1.48volts even at idle.. i can run 3.9ghz while keeping every voltage set to auto, sure the temps do not reach over 60ºc EVER!!! but the high voltage just ..... well, I dont like it...

My current solution is to run at 3.8ghz with a slight voltage offset of +.05000 this makes my voltage range from 0.4v to 1.297volts with some spikes hitting 1.306volts I do not know why the voltages spike so high and so often with everything set to amd's default settings, but if the voltages are legit(reported by 4 different pieces of software including the bios) then does that mean even with everything set to auto my warranty is being voided by these voltages?!?!?! How can i keep everything at factory default settings while preventing the cpu from hitting almost 1.5volts?

#2 - I also have some issues understanding what some of the bios settings are and what the optimal settings for them should be since i am trying to keep my cpu at around 3.8-3.9ghz stable 24/7. my previous intel board was very difficult to overclock, this one seems easier but has a lot more settings any advice on these settings would be great!

VDDCR CPU Power Phase Control -Optimized/extreme
VDDCR CPU Switching Frequency 200khz-350khz
VDDCR CPU Load Line Calibration - auto,regular, medium, high, extreme
VDDCR SOC Load Line Calibration - auto, regular, high, extreme
What is SOC? I've heard increasing it's voltage can increase stability?

#3 - On my previous 1st gen i7, it took me months to get my 1600mhz rated ram to actually run at 1600mhz but once i finally did, i was able to overclock my 1600mhz ram to almost 1800mhz though i never really kept it there for long. With this new ryzen system, the 2400mhz rated ram runs at 2400mhz right out of the box, even without the memory profile, but any type of increase in memory speed will not post, anyone have suggestions on how to maybe get my 2400mhz ram to run at 2666mhz? or do we not think this is going to be possible at all, ever on a ryzen system?


thanks guys!!

P.s
just for reference, at my current 3.85ghz overclock, cpu sits at 63.13watts @ load and about 13watts @ idle, Idle temps are 32ºC, load temps are 62ºC cpu-z bench scores are 2292 single thread and 14722 multithread, scores higher than every intel reference listed in cpu-z including the 6950x
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