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Same controller for x370 pro and ch6. Strongly suspect that other than refclock bios is much the same
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According to Billzoid the Taichi board is the best am4 board available right now haha. On a side note he found some interesting things with LLC on the Taichi board.

Apparently LLC2 well all the LLC above 5 heavily overvolt the CPU to absurd voltages. So much as to say anything above LLC5 are unusable.

He also notes software is not outputting the correct voltage or amps the VRMs are feeding the chip and is off by some 40%.

https://youtu.be/_ic5d5qAhBU

He is wrong and measuring incorrect location.

Design only makes up 25% of any boards abilities...

All boards are innaccurate and anyone who trusts software is lol

ok, so then i again restate my answer below
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The vrms are more then capable and he is another you tube wonder (yay)
this is what i dont understand. the " youtube generation " (Read- this is not an age group, just a group of people ) seem to think that youtube is the end all be all of anything. when most of these idiots, are idiots with a pc. i will never understand the need to blindly follow morons ...
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Well I personally can verify that hwinfo does not report the correct wattage. So is it that far fetched to say it may be reporting the wrong voltages and amps?

all boards are reporting mythical unicorn data currently.
so, the saying - dont trust software readouts- it is true, go figure, never would of guessed..... rolleyes.gif
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Just some fyi. According to electrical engineers employed god knows how many years....

Measure closest to cpu. In this case socket.

While i find his info interesting...

Teenager vs employed for years electrical engineers?

I'm gonna go with engineers

NUUUUUUUUUUUUU everything on the interwebs is true !!!
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Unless I start measuring at the MLCC's, I was using PINS near the socket for delivery to the CPU. LLC was Auto also at the time, older BIOS. It got better with the recent BIOS that Biostar has released.

So do you think with the latest bios updates, LLC has gotten "better" I guess and therefore software readings would be more accurate?

I know auto with the Taichi board defaults to LLC5. I had 1.36v set in bios with LLC2 as Hwinfo reported a constant 1.36v.

with LLC5 HWinfo reports 1.305v under load which was strange to me but hey vdroop is a thing. But I still maintained stability at 3.9Ghz (passed IBT on extreme with 32GB of Ram).

The fact that I was still stable makes me question what voltage my chip is actually at.

I just seriously doubt my chip is stable at 3.9GHz at 1.305v under load.

Billzoid believes LLC5 on the Taichi board was the only one that actually has the VRMs deliver close to the voltage set in the bios.

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Hello and thank you for those two videos.

If you have a GIGABYTE AX370 board available, could you be troubled please to show your BIOS settings on it for a 2x16GB configuration running at at least 2933MHz?


Regards,

Its next on the list to buy. I had to postpone purchase due to unforseen circumstances and a hefty vet bill..
sorry to hear :/ hope they get well soon- made it through
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I love how Chew handles his equipment. I have not the courage. "Careful....careful...baby steps".
Chew, "well lets see if this will catch fire".

It just shows how little I actually know.
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I love how Chew handles his equipment. I have not the courage. "Careful....careful...baby steps".
Chew, "well lets see if this will catch fire".

It just shows how little I actually know.

He has been doing this for many many years... He knows gear in and out, electronics don't change. Chipsets/CPU's change. The theory behind rarely changes.
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On taichi...l2 l3 l4 l5 is less.

Why would we even care about any setting other than the one that is equivalent set vcore= measured vcore.

Who cares about software....

Ive already given settings to get real...

Use them or dont i honestly dont care.

Mainly because I am looking at two sets of data literally saying exact opposite things. Your saying LLC1 gives you measured vcore = set vcore. The other data shows LLC5 give measured vcore = set vcore.

In you video the Caps are reading 1.45v and the core was reading something like 1.41v under load with voltage set at 1.4v and LLC1. Okay pretty good readings, I see that.

Now I have buildzoid who yes is reading from caps I understand that but with his vcore set a 1.375 he was reading 1.461v at LLC1 under load. Even if we take off the .04v difference between the caps and socket you had in your testing that still leaves us with a potential 1.421v which is still a lot higher than the set 1.375v.

So again I have two sets of data in front of me front the exact same board and entirely different results......I am not trying to say anyone is right or wrong I am just looking for more clarity.....best I just get a multi meter my self lol. You video did help point out where on the socket I can get readings from so thanks for that.
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Now if GIgabyte can release more BIOS updates for my AB350M board's BIOS that offer me more stability and RAM compatibility so I can finally clock my LPX RAM to 3200 Mhz.
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Mine is called "p8" and is an 8 pin connector. (non splittable) and 10 pin on the PSU side (panel)

then of course I have the giant ATX 24 pin connector.

but i don't see this extra 4 pin. or how i'd plug it in.

The 4 pin is ATX, the 8 pin or 4+4 is the EPS connector sometimes called an ATX/EPS if it is in the 4+4 configuration. Not every PSU is going to have this. A four pin by itself is a no no. The 8 pin is just fine. If you where in a situation / setup which required large amperage delivery the additional header could be helpful.

That said, I am not currently aware of any particular Ryzen configuration which could utilize / benefit from it. The larger gauge wire from the PSU split into the 8+4 EPS/ATX "in theory" splits the current along the traces and helps mitigate heating the connector from wire -> connector -> cca tracer / via.
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Mainly because I am looking at two sets of data literally saying exact opposite things. Your saying LLC1 gives you measured vcore = set vcore. The other data shows LLC5 give measured vcore = set vcore.

In you video the Caps are reading 1.45v and the core was reading something like 1.41v under load with voltage set at 1.4v and LLC1. Okay pretty good readings, I see that.

Now I have buildzoid who yes is reading from caps I understand that but with his vcore set a 1.375 he was reading 1.461v at LLC1 under load. Even if we take off the .04v difference between the caps and socket you had in your testing that still leaves us with a potential 1.421v which is still a lot higher than the set 1.375v.

So again I have two sets of data in front of me front the exact same board and entirely different results......I am not trying to say anyone is right or wrong I am just looking for more clarity.....best I just get a multi meter my self lol. You video did help point out where on the socket I can get readings from so thanks for that.

No clue. I shut all amd features off. Maybe that is the variable.

C states off cpb off c and q off.

Impossible to get remotely accurate data until you have full control.
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I love how Chew handles his equipment. I have not the courage. "Careful....careful...baby steps".
Chew, "well lets see if this will catch fire".

It just shows how little I actually know.

The second i worry about damaging something is the exact moment i actually damage it.

No fears no accidents.

Remember the matrix...dont worry about the jar ill clean it up...what jar crash...

Whats really going to cook your noodle...would you have broken it if i had not said anything?
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ayyyy 1700x for 320 and 1700 for 250 on ebay, ugh should've wait lol
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