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It should be able to clock slightly higher than an 1800X really because it would have more thermal headroom with fewer cores.
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This reminds me of a question that has been hanging in my attention background: Why does progressively higher leakage (1700 --> 1800X) correlate with progressively higher maximum clock frequency?
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Because these chips have already been pushed so far at stock, that we're already hitting the voltage limits (rather than the usual thermal or clock limits). Silicon with higher SIDD generally requires less voltage at ISO frequency and has at least somewhat better voltage scaling. They draw more current and run hotter than the silicon with lower leakage, but in case the silicon isn't thermally limited that's not a disadvantage but an advantage.

There is a reason why they are binned this way at the factory as well wink.gif Same was done with Vishera 9k-series CPUs. Using high leakage silicon is most likely the only way to produce 1800X models with their 4.1GHz MSCXFC, without breaching the reliability thresholds for VDDCR_CPU.

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I guess it depends how long you plan to keep your system. If it's only for a couple years and you would just be happier with an extra 1 or 200 MHz, then the 1600X makes sense I guess. I tend to keep systems for 5 years or more so I went with the 8-core bang-for-buck CPU. If you really want bang-for-buck and are happy with 6 cores the 1600 makes more sense IMO but I'm not the kind of person that needs to have the absolute highest clock speed either.

If AMD aren't binning 1800x and 1600x together; they may just be raising default v.core to get that faster clock. The 2 lesser cores would give them that room. <-- but if thats whats happened, I don't want it.

Because effectively I'd be still be getting the lower binned chip. In which case I'd rather just pay an extra £50 and have the 1700 for future-proofing (in case games start utilising all cores properly). (best bang for buck, as you say).

But If, as I say; I'm really getting a 1800x binned chip; that just has two cores switched off... the 1600x will finally enable me to be at peace with myself, and purchase the damn thing already lol!

I'm coming from a FX-8350 (9590 overclock).

I'm assuming the R5 1600x is just a CPU with two weak cores that are disabled/cut but still meets the requirements of the higher binning for 1600x speed/TDP

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R5 is a huge gamble....

Mine are all over the place. I thought maybe i had something figured out...

Curveball....

Im busy but post findings soon.

Thanks for that, it's kind of what I figured. Just a coin toss as to what you get?
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I'm assuming the R5 1600x is just a CPU with two weak cores that are disabled/cut but still meets the requirements of the higher binning for 1600x speed/TDP
Thanks for that, it's kind of what I figured. Just a coin toss as to what you get?

Lets just say less than 3.8-3.7 for 24/7 is a possibility.
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Killer boards now "officially" support 3200+ memory per their site, although none is on the QVL. Anyone have it running that high?

Nope, mine still crashes no matter the timings or voltage I set :/

SOC voltage is now set to 1.1V with 2.10 BIOS when selecting 3200 dividier though, hope it's finally stable in the next bios if not I may change to any other board.

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@gupsterg Well I'm not going to argue with The Stilt! biggrin.gif
I did say slightly. That could mean only 50MHz and only because you can apply 100mV more...but if I'm being honest it was just a guess. laugher.gif
I don't think there's enough data yet to say how the R5s are binned or how high they can go.
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Nope, mine still crashes no matter the timings or voltage I set :/

SOC voltage is now set to 1.1V with 2.10 BIOS when selecting 3200 dividier though, hope it's finally stable in the next bios if not I may change to any other board.

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Yeah, I think all we need is the 2T setting and we should be set. Best I've done is 7 IBT standard loops.

Maybe they were preemptively updating it smile.gif I know the CH6 got 2T settings very recently.
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I'm assuming the R5 1600x is just a CPU with two weak cores that are disabled/cut but still meets the requirements of the higher binning for 1600x speed/TDP
Thanks for that, it's kind of what I figured. Just a coin toss as to what you get?

Lets just say less than 3.8-3.7 for 24/7 is a possibility.
That's rough, is that low end or average kind of like 1700 is 3.8-3.9 with the odd "good" one (4.0+) in there? Any competition with the Blue team is dwindling with numbers like that.
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@gupsterg Well I'm not going to argue with The Stilt! biggrin.gif
I did say slightly. That could mean only 50MHz and only because you can apply 100mV more...but if I'm being honest it was just a guess. laugher.gif
I don't think there's enough data yet to say how the R5s are binned or how high they can go.

Yeah slightly is all I'm seeing from all I try to read smile.gif .

It's like so many R7 1700 seem to reach 3.8/3.9GHz with similar MAX CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN), where a member has shown a HWiNFO screenie. As the R7 1700 is lower leakage we see a higher VCORE, so pretty much what happens is a member runs out of headroom on that aspect (loosely speaking wink.gif ).

Where as in the case of "X" CPU due to higher leakage they have lower VCORE but higher current draw. The member has voltage headroom in a way. To me it seems if you want 3.9/4.0GHz go "X", if your happy with 3.8/3.9GHz go non "X".

I've had 2x R7 1700, was thinking I'll get a 3rd to try, but the more and more results I view I reckon it's gonna be a waste of time. Luckily I lost no money in my endeavors wink.gif . Like I posted before I sold the Wraith Spire RGB, netted me ~£43. My R7 1700 has cost me ~£257, now if I go for a "X" CPU just for an extra 100MHz or so, it would be ridiculous in my books.

The R5 1600 vs 1600X is same debate as R7 1700 vs R7 "X" IMO. The R5 mentioned are doing the same TDP 65W vs 95W for "X" variant as R7, so binning is gonna be same process IMO. Lower leakage = non X = higher vcore = owner will back off on OC based on that. Higher leakage = X = lower vcore = owner will OC a bit more.
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Yeah, I think all we need is the 2T setting and we should be set. Best I've done is 7 IBT standard loops.

Maybe they were preemptively updating it smile.gif I know the CH6 got 2T settings very recently.

You're luckier then, max I can do is two standard loops biggrin.gif

There's too much confusion regarding agesa version, Aida64 and HWInfo say it's 1.0.0.3, that's the one MSI had problems with, they removed all the links to some beta bios containing that microcode and they were banning people who posted it in their forums lol
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Hey guys, my 1700 4 GHZ overclock is a success rock solid game stable. Temps are below 60C while playing. Im thinking 1.45 volts on auto with no LLC is safe for 24/7 but I want to get other peoples opinions on this. How safe is it? Voltage does go up to 1.48 during gaming but thats the highest. Thanks in advance.
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