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What's it under?

Depends on what board you got, my Biostar board its under the CPU sub menu.
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Nice, on a side note, If amd had a proper m-itx board at launch I would'v went that way... frown.gif

You proved your point... But I still think my hardware is shinny-er .. + RGB makes it faster biggrin.gif

A built m itx now your talking...preferably without the rgb lol.

I concede on the rgb contest...i just cant bring myself to use it lol biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by savagebunny View Post

Depends on what board you got, my Biostar board its under the CPU sub menu.

C6H
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I too had the asus b350 prime and it was a dogturd. I went to the Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 5 and its amazing to me by comparison althought some say it dies to early I dont know if they are valid in that statement or its just a "pebcak"

The shares by members on what occurred with their "Gigabyte" are not "pebcak", it is just the same share as you stating "the asus b350 prime and it was a dogturd".

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The 20 C offset is nonsense.

I would like to be able to fine tune XFR.

There have been some other quirks but I'm willing to chalk those up to winblows 10 being what it is... rolleyes.gif

+rep on all the posts regarding "measuring voltages", I appreciate it thumb.gif .

Yes I agree the offset is PANTS frown.gif . Makes no sense for AMD to say:-
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This approach ensures that all AMD Ryzen™ processors have a consistent fan policy.

How the heck does that work? if I had a "X" CPU and it didn't have the 20°C offset and my fans ran slower than non "X" CPU I'd be like WOW rock on RYZEN. I have higher clocked X CPU out of box, it runs quieter than non "X" CPU fan profile.

I am not an Intel fanboy, I buy what I need and deem best performance for my money. So in my eyes it was AMD this time. I have owned 4x Hawaii cards from 2015/16, had 8x Fury X, 2x Fury Nitro and 1x Fury Tri-X from 2016/17.

The reddit thread has bombed IMO frown.gif , no upvote of thread, many with gripes here have not posted there.

Ahh well, we'll just see what happens.
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The 20 C offset is nonsense.

I would like to be able to fine tune XFR.

There have been some other quirks but I'm willing to chalk those up to winblows 10 being what it is... rolleyes.gif
I noticed that I have 3 temps that are nearly the same until I add a heavy load then the cputin and systin both go to around 71 and the package goes to 61, I highlight that the package is lower, but is the motherboard reading higher not the cpu?

i dont mind going and having a word with my mobo maker, i got beef with them.smile.gif
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well figured I'd post

New Ryzen 7 1700 owner. I have it paired with the Asus Crosshair VI Hero and Corsair Platinum(8gbx2) DDR4 3000mhz Mem.

Currently Running at 3.9ghz with 1.35 volts under water, with DDR4 2667mhz memory speed.

Updated the bios via windows software utility holy cow that took forever. Now running 1002, and haven't tried to mod anything else yet. Hope to push it further soon, but it's already pretty snappy.

Stay away from the Windows utility in the Future, it has a history of failing 😉
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The shares by members on what occurred with their "Gigabyte" are not "pebcak", it is just the same share as you stating "the asus b350 prime and it was a dogturd".

thumb.gif .
+rep on all the posts regarding "measuring voltages", I appreciate it thumb.gif .

Yes I agree the offset is PANTS frown.gif . Makes no sense for AMD to say:-
How the heck does that work? if I had a "X" CPU and it didn't have the 20°C offset and my fans ran slower than non "X" CPU I'd be like WOW rock on RYZEN. I have higher clocked X CPU out of box, it runs quieter than non "X" CPU fan profile.

I am not an Intel fanboy, I buy what I need and deem best performance for my money. So in my eyes it was AMD this time. I have owned 4x Hawaii cards from 2015/16, had 8x Fury X, 2x Fury Nitro and 1x Fury Tri-X from 2016/17.

The reddit thread has bombed IMO frown.gif , no upvote of thread, many with gripes here have not posted there.

Ahh well, we'll just see what happens.


Reddit is like peeing into the wind.... And to make it better, I apparently have gotten something stuck in the zipper because I cannot log in. Will try again. Linky moar!

tctl is confusing and attempts to make it less confusing have not really succeeded. Not buying the rational of needing offset for purpose stated so far.

Have you tried the method of achieving pstate oc for your motherboard/bios outlined elsewhere ?

In the thread it refers back to a user here.

"Should" work with 7 and 10 but I'm not sure about win 7's power options. You may already know the answer. I didn't search very deeply.


bah. Reddit still hating me.

-edit Hmm, that method has hazards beyond my comfort zone, even with someone else's silicon unless they know what the hell they're doing.
Edited by yendor - 4/20/17 at 4:12am
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Yeah reddit has always been rolleyes.gif for me. I very rarely post anything on there, it just because "we" C6H owners had stated gripes to Asus and I wanted to air these at AMD as well and hoped others will as well. /r/AMD seemed to be place.

Even the AMD Community forum is pants from what I have experience. Once requested some help on a) driver option I thought could be done and another time in an actual thread where Robert Hallock was OP wanted some info and none given.

tCTL rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif with frown.giffrown.giffrown.gif = mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
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PState 0 OC work for me with voltage offset in Extreme Tweaker page. Down clocking work for me, I can change High Performance or Ryzen Power Plan to do the same as Balanced. I can have this "setup" on W7 or W10.

This is not the issue.

The issue with PState OC is you can not increase the VID for PState as you require. If you can not change it there then what happens is basically idle/lower states voltage has also changed as we're applying a global voltage offset elsewhere in UEFI options. I have seen at stock my idle in OS on DMM, measuring at ProbeIt VCORE point is ~500-600mV, when on OC I get ~600-700mV. This is minor but read what is the real issue below.

Below issue especially for R7 1700 owners is further exacerbated when a failed boot occurs. What happens on C6H (and we have been told by Asus team on OCN, applies to other vendor boards) is you get extra voltage going through CPU.

Case situation

- I set FID in PState 0 to gain 3.8GHz
- I set offset voltage on Extreme Tweaker as I need for OC (~+162mV).

- System does failed boot, AMD CBS page is reset. AMD "coding" apparently not play "nice" with vendor board UEFI.
- Extreme Tweaker is still active with offset voltage mode (+162mV in my case).

As OC mode has reset from UEFI due to AMD CBS reset CPU is in stock mode. The CPU is not using say 11875mV (default VID ceiling for R7 1700 stock PState 0 (ie base clock 3000MHz)). It is also not at base clock whilst in UEFI and PB/XFR is active, so CPU can be at ~1.35V (checked via DMM). Add in the offset which has not reset on Extreme Tweaker page = ~1.5V.

One owner had ~1.8V go through his CPU = borked chip, he fails to be able to use it at stock clocks, he needs to under clock it.

Some have had ~1.6V go through CPU.

I have had ~1.5V, about ~4x.

On 1700X/1800X PState 0 has ceiling VID of 1.35V, most need say ~+50mV to gain 3.8/3.9GHz, so on a failed boot it's not a biggie for them.

AMD allowing PStates editing is great idea better than what I had on my i5/Z97. But that had better implementation of offset, so I didn't really need State editing.

Now see how my i5/Z97 was.





The 0.001V only applied to all states lower than max, so CPU was basically getting default voltage, then final state got override of 1.254V+0.001V = 1.255V .

My current fix is to use "Sleep" on system, as then it does not need to do whole repost, so I have had no "borked" boot past 2 days.

Some can not use "Sleep" , as workaround or just for normal use, as they get CPU/board issues (which it is I do not know).

Then on C6H UEFI past 0902 we have "improved" SIO CPU Sensor mode. Super IO CPU Sensor reads tCTL and it applies +5°C to it. This then places my fan profile out of "skew".

I disable Sense MI Skew in UEFI, this gains me realistic CPU temps on R7 1700. But then as SIO CPU Sensor reading is used by fan profile it goes to "pot". As UEFI has no option to change SIO CPU Sensor mode I need to use an application that Elmor supplied to change SIO CPU Sensor mode to just using tCTL and not adding +5°C to it.

This application needs to be in OS startup as a reboot will reset SIO mode. This also needs to be in Windows Task Scheduler so on resume from "Sleep" SIO mode is as I want.

Now let's go back to "X" CPU.

AMD state +20°C for tCTL. I have explained some "magic" the SIO chip does, now look at this post. So we can have further enhanced "tCTL" operation.

Edited by gupsterg - 4/20/17 at 3:39am
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I wish the Ryzen 1800x cpu could have just one of its eight cores overclock to 5GHz, it would have been so much better for gaming I think. smile.gif
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