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It's possible but it's buggy for that board/bios and 1700's are more likely to have bad stuff happen. I'd wait.

Ugh. Alright redface.gif
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Can someone explain how to setup pstates on my 1700? I'd like to downclock when there's no load if possible. Thanks!

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On Extreme Tweaker page use Offset mode CPU voltage, edit offset voltage as required.

If memory training fail or other aspect of OC settings = borked boot = overvoltage of CPU depending on offset you use.

You can use manual voltage on Extreme Tweaker page for CPU. If borked boot happen no overvoltage. CPU still downclock but not downvolt with this method in OS.
Edited by gupsterg - 4/20/17 at 1:01pm
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Do not change VID.

Change FID.





On Extreme Tweaker page use Offset mode CPU voltage, edit offset voltage as required.

If memory training fail or other aspect of OC settings = borked boot = overvoltage of CPU depending on offset you use.

And on the other page keep my 41 multi? so it will downclock between what I set there from 41 pending load?
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This is a ryzen 5 related question but maybe some of you who have a B350 board can help me out here, running a 1600 with a B350M Gaming Pro from MSI. I have a 8GB set of corsair vengeance LPX rated for 3000mhz. Running the latest bios, cannot get the computer to boot above 2400mhz in the bios, just shows a DRAM failure on the diagnostic lights. Only have the options of 2933 and 3200 in the bios as well. Any recommendations here? Cant figure out for the life of me why 2933 doesnt work, wont allow it to boot on a non SPD setting you think?
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It just won't boot......think over 101 it refused to boot without setting the lower gen PCI settings...

Interesting, while mine does still boot fine with increased BCLK I get instabilities that I think might be related. They seem to be gone forcing gen 1, but still need to counter-check to verify.
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Do not change VID.

Change FID.





On Extreme Tweaker page use Offset mode CPU voltage, edit offset voltage as required.

If memory training fail or other aspect of OC settings = borked boot = overvoltage of CPU depending on offset you use.

You can use manual voltage on Extreme Tweaker page for CPU. If borked boot happen no overvoltage. CPU still downclock but not downvolt with this method in OS.

I see. If it's just down clocking and not downvolting what the point?
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@yendor

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Yeah reddit has always been rolleyes.gif for me. I very rarely post anything on there, it just because "we" C6H owners had stated gripes to Asus and I wanted to air these at AMD as well and hoped others will as well. /r/AMD seemed to be place.

Even the AMD Community forum is pants from what I have experience. Once requested some help on a) driver option I thought could be done and another time in an actual thread where Robert Hallock was OP wanted some info and none given.

tCTL rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif with frown.giffrown.giffrown.gif = mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
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PState 0 OC work for me with voltage offset in Extreme Tweaker page. Down clocking work for me, I can change High Performance or Ryzen Power Plan to do the same as Balanced. I can have this "setup" on W7 or W10.

This is not the issue.

The issue with PState OC is you can not increase the VID for PState as you require. If you can not change it there then what happens is basically idle/lower states voltage has also changed as we're applying a global voltage offset elsewhere in UEFI options. I have seen at stock my idle in OS on DMM, measuring at ProbeIt VCORE point is ~500-600mV, when on OC I get ~600-700mV. This is minor but read what is the real issue below.

Below issue especially for R7 1700 owners is further exacerbated when a failed boot occurs. What happens on C6H (and we have been told by Asus team on OCN, applies to other vendor boards) is you get extra voltage going through CPU.

Case situation

- I set FID in PState 0 to gain 3.8GHz
- I set offset voltage on Extreme Tweaker as I need for OC (~+162mV).

- System does failed boot, AMD CBS page is reset. AMD "coding" apparently not play "nice" with vendor board UEFI.
- Extreme Tweaker is still active with offset voltage mode (+162mV in my case).

As OC mode has reset from UEFI due to AMD CBS reset CPU is in stock mode. The CPU is not using say 11875mV (default VID ceiling for R7 1700 stock PState 0 (ie base clock 3000MHz)). It is also not at base clock whilst in UEFI and PB/XFR is active, so CPU can be at ~1.35V (checked via DMM). Add in the offset which has not reset on Extreme Tweaker page = ~1.5V.

One owner had ~1.8V go through his CPU = borked chip, he fails to be able to use it at stock clocks, he needs to under clock it.

Some have had ~1.6V go through CPU.

I have had ~1.5V, about ~4x.

On 1700X/1800X PState 0 has ceiling VID of 1.35V, most need say ~+50mV to gain 3.8/3.9GHz, so on a failed boot it's not a biggie for them.

AMD allowing PStates editing is great idea better than what I had on my i5/Z97. But that had better implementation of offset, so I didn't really need State editing.

Now see how my i5/Z97 was.





The 0.001V only applied to all states lower than max, so CPU was basically getting default voltage, then final state got override of 1.254V+0.001V = 1.255V .

My current fix is to use "Sleep" on system, as then it does not need to do whole repost, so I have had no "borked" boot past 2 days.

Some can not use "Sleep" , as workaround or just for normal use, as they get CPU/board issues (which it is I do not know).

Then on C6H UEFI past 0902 we have "improved" SIO CPU Sensor mode. Super IO CPU Sensor reads tCTL and it applies +5°C to it. This then places my fan profile out of "skew".

I disable Sense MI Skew in UEFI, this gains me realistic CPU temps on R7 1700. But then as SIO CPU Sensor reading is used by fan profile it goes to "pot". As UEFI has no option to change SIO CPU Sensor mode I need to use an application that Elmor supplied to change SIO CPU Sensor mode to just using tCTL and not adding +5°C to it.

This application needs to be in OS startup as a reboot will reset SIO mode. This also needs to be in Windows Task Scheduler so on resume from "Sleep" SIO mode is as I want.

Now let's go back to "X" CPU.

AMD state +20°C for tCTL. I have explained some "magic" the SIO chip does, now look at this post. So we can have further enhanced "tCTL" operation.
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This is a ryzen 5 related question but maybe some of you who have a B350 board can help me out here, running a 1600 with a B350M Gaming Pro from MSI. I have a 8GB set of corsair vengeance LPX rated for 3000mhz. Running the latest bios, cannot get the computer to boot above 2400mhz in the bios, just shows a DRAM failure on the diagnostic lights. Only have the options of 2933 and 3200 in the bios as well. Any recommendations here? Cant figure out for the life of me why 2933 doesnt work, wont allow it to boot on a non SPD setting you think?

what does the sticker say on your ram? should list timings and voltage required to run at rated speed.
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Originally Posted by alucardis666 View Post

I see. If it's just down clocking and not downvolting what the point?

That's why most are using offset mode for vcore that is applied on top of the VID corresponding to the pstate. At least until modifying the VID in the pstates itself becomes an option. AFAIK only lowering a pstates VID is working correctly right now.
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what does the sticker say on your ram? should list timings and voltage required to run at rated speed.

15-17-17-35 1.35v, ive manually set it at that and also tried using the A-XMP option in the bios, none of which would boot.
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15-17-17-35 1.35v, ive manually set it at that and also tried using the A-XMP option in the bios, none of which would boot.

Have you increased the voltage?
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