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4.3gig valid on the cheapest possible chip.......CH6 must be the best board evah now rolleyes.gif



Took me a total of 1 minute to boot at 4.3 and kill that issue.....

https://valid.x86.fr/4lgzbl

Lets here the arguments now?

Now that the validation is no longer crutch I cant wait to hear why titanium is a better board or better value

MSI MSI MSI! biggrin.gif

https://youtu.be/DbVo7q2GHh0

1333 ram - 2 cores.... weaksauce!

( I'm just teasing you a bit).
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@Spawne32

Yendor is right.

2666MHz+ strap = no odd CAS, rest primary can be.

Just how platform is, hope is May update from AMD to board vendors opens things up. Below extract from Elmor's OC guide for C6H (works for Asus MB R&D).
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- If DRAM Ratio is 2666 or higher TCL will be rounded to nearest even higher number (i.e. TCL=15 → 16)
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

MSI MSI MSI! biggrin.gif

https://youtu.be/DbVo7q2GHh0

1333 ram - 2 cores.... weaksauce!

( I'm just teasing you a bit).

Its all good. No worries im not claiming anything but my 1400 is better lol smile.gif
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There are some "decent" USB scopes available for less than a mid range DMM.

http://store.digilentinc.com/analog-discovery-100msps-usb-oscilloscope-logic-analyzer-limited-time/

Get something like this for under 100 bucks if you shop around and / or get on a uni. mass buy. I really like this one because being USB can be driven from a laptops battery supply. Very handy for doing RF. (Turning a probe end into an antenna). All it really needs out of the box is proper BNC style 50 Ohm terminated probes.

Of course its always down to different tools for different jobs. SpecAn, Logic NA, 2-port, S-parameter... DMMs have there place as well.
The point here is that measuring off a pad, a cap, a resistor, a pin, a diode, makes no difference when measuring voltage on a particular node. Its a fundamental principle of Kirchhoff's laws in circuit analysis. If you are seeing a different voltage consistently there is something being overlooked in the circuit, like a snub resistor, or your referencing a different ground. Such as an analog ground, a digital ground, earth ground, a ground plane, so on and so forth. Some of these grounds dependent on what the designer thought appropriate could be floating. Its also plausible that manufacturers are putting some conformal coating on the part which is inhibiting a proper connection.
Voltages in parallel are equal, its how the DMM takes the measurement, its not about knowing any better, its a fundamental fact. A cap is a very good place to measure DC when its being used as a voltage hold up, as the cap acts as an open circuit in DC, meaning the DMM is sure to be reading the open circuit DC voltage at the solder joints (give or take introducing a meg or so of resistance to the circuit).

While the conformal could be a valid point and i conformal my own boards....

I thought i might show this. No caps just a straight up pad direct to pcb behind socket...

caps? Same exact measurement...but pad easier to solder to.

So now alot of the speculation is removed...

As far as ground goes i was told use the one behind socket as well.

Maybe if i measured positive leg of cap and ground at socket....voltage would be identical.

And yes i compared molex vs pad directly after wiring it in to make sure resistance was not skewing results

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293130-Ryzen-Return-of-the-Jedi&p=5256260&viewfull=1#post5256260
Edited by chew* - 4/20/17 at 3:24pm
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How old is that baby? 5 months? Mus is a pretty new dad so I'm not sure sleep is a thing for him yet.

Turned 4 months just a couple of days ago. wink.gif

My lack of sleep is not attributed to her though. smile.gif


@chew*
Is that the Prime's?

My K7's back side does not look like that. Quite a hard one for soldering. frown.gif
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what I'm saying is there is a healthy boost at pc3200 120 ref clock 2666 divider due to sucking in the subs by using 2666 strap.

I have seen gains of 400 points in cpu test.....

its actually harder not easier to do 120 ref and 2666 divider than 3200 divider wink.gif due to tighter subs bud.

if you can do 2400 divider that's even better and harder.

Got you. I believe I have tried it once or so. But failed to see something significant - at least on those quick tests. I may have to try it again. That will mean using an early BIOS and the crap that it brings. tongue.gif

But I think I did 3600 and 3466 on that BIOS. Might even be better. thumb.gif
 
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wth.gif

Would be great if use the 980Ti, so less GPU bound & more CPU bound. We're comparing CPUs after all.

But please don't cut back on sleep because of me. I rarely get to sleep properly these days, and it sucks. Would be nice if you don't have to go through the same. redface.gif

Tell me about self contained sleep deprivation. wink.gif It's 1:00AM here and I need to be back at work by 8:00.

I get your point. I will try those. thumb.gif

 

I have been working away trying to work out why Ryzen's CPU+GPU under load performance is not as good as it could be. A while a go I posted a number of things that disputed the windows scheduler and thread switching as being the primary cause of the performance issue only to be told I was an Idiot, Particularly by the people over at Anandtech forum.

 

I was one of the initial people who pointed out that bandwidth to the memory and PCIe links on the chip was a product of the Ram frequency. It has certainly helped improve things a bit but not as well as I would like and not enough to say that the speed is the entire story. The 70-90ns latency, compared to 50 in an Intel platform still concerned me.

 

I have been trying to determine if my next observation was in my imagination or If i had substance. It has been tricky as most people have tried to shy away from 32GB systems because they assumed that the slower frequency would be detrimental to performance. 16GB systems with the 3200Mhz Ram struggle to get 8000 in the Timespy CPU test. Your post with the 3 different time spy tests and increasing memory frequency, I think, has just confirmed what I have been searching for. I noticed that some of the combined best scores in Firestrike were being made with 32GB machines, initially with 2x8GB systems and more lately 2 x 16GB systems even if the ram was only clocked at 2400 or 2666Mhz

 

While it seems that faster ram helps, The major part of Ryzen's secret to getting close to Intel like "gaming" performance and working around the memory latency issues seems to be by increasing the Ram interleaving. The only way that can be achieved is to either use fast dual rank memory 2x16GB sticks or 4x8GB sticks. The increased interleaving is reducing the number of cycles the CPU has to wait between the request and returned of data from memory due to Ryzen's inherent Latency. The frequency helps but does not appear to help as much as the ability for the CPU to access more highly interleaved memory.  

 

We need a bit more testing to confirm but I suspect that 2x16GB ram would be have better performance potential than 4x8GB as it should put less load on the memory controller.

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MSI MSI MSI! biggrin.gif

https://youtu.be/DbVo7q2GHh0

1333 ram - 2 cores.... weaksauce!

( I'm just teasing you a bit).

Its all good. No worries im not claiming anything but my 1400 is better lol smile.gif

Heh.... keep pushin thumb.gif
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@gtbtk

That is yet to be tested though i don't have access to dual rank B-Dies.

IIRC, AIda numbers are better with 4 sticks but may not necesarrily reflect to Gaming or 3D Benches. I just felt like these Gigas score better than the other boards in 3D. But that's just a hunch.
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8k in time spy?

Im in the 9k range iirc...

Here is an answer to one of the big questions. PCI E gen 3 vs gen 1.

GEN 3 what is most important is game tests.
PCI%20E%20gen%203_zpsr2xzeebf.jpg

GEN 1 16g
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Gen 1 32g vs my gaming 5 lauch day review
asrock%2014_zpsye7lcomq.jpg

As you can see yes there is a slight performance drop in gen 1........you can also see that cpu performance scales with ref clock and lower mem dividers.

This is extremely consistent. I see fps drop but cpu performance gains repeatedly test after test.

No 32gig needed for this...

Basically you are trying to solve an answer to a problem which we or at least I made public knowledge to day 1 at launch.

Its already been answered...you just need to accept the answer...

The sub timings you have no acess to currently can be tightened up by using a lower strap and ref clock...

What you are seeing with 32g is that since i showed people how to do 32g with better timings...

they are using ref clock lower divider then raising speed.

Fyi giga a tad slow in 3d vs asrock at least..
Edited by chew* - 4/20/17 at 4:18pm
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^^4.3?
Nice. thumb.gif
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