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The shares by members on what occurred with their "Gigabyte" are not "pebcak", it is just the same share as you stating "the asus b350 prime and it was a dogturd".

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+rep on all the posts regarding "measuring voltages", I appreciate it thumb.gif .

Yes I agree the offset is PANTS frown.gif . Makes no sense for AMD to say:-
How the heck does that work? if I had a "X" CPU and it didn't have the 20°C offset and my fans ran slower than non "X" CPU I'd be like WOW rock on RYZEN. I have higher clocked X CPU out of box, it runs quieter than non "X" CPU fan profile.

I am not an Intel fanboy, I buy what I need and deem best performance for my money. So in my eyes it was AMD this time. I have owned 4x Hawaii cards from 2015/16, had 8x Fury X, 2x Fury Nitro and 1x Fury Tri-X from 2016/17.

The reddit thread has bombed IMO frown.gif , no upvote of thread, many with gripes here have not posted there.

Ahh well, we'll just see what happens.

On the fan topic, for my use its worthless... as I don't have any fans connected to the mobo! Just a single wire connected to the rpm trace on the 3 amp header on the C6H for my pump. I went with an external fan speed controller with thermocouples in the loop and on the hot spots.

Now as far as AMD goes and their policy / stance... I believe this is just for the 1700x and 1800x. My 1800x when going from idle to kicking in the XFR temps up with a quickness. Being a little fire cracker chip it really needs somewhere for the heat to go very quickly, or it would just heat soak and trip the Tjc limit and or throttle back, crash, or trip completely.

So, a knee jerk reaction at AMD went out and the mobo manufacturers had this "work around" pushed on them which was incorporated the latest bios revs. In my case it was snuck in with 1002. This seems like a lowest common denominator solution to a couple issues... such as fan speed run up, piss poor to no communication about AM4 backplates and cooling solution mounts, no technical information on proper pressure for the interface of the cooling solution to the IHS.

The last one is the most egregious as it really is just a matter of getting some linear springs for my old AM3 setup (if this was an actual issue, which it wasn't, seemed limited to spring clip designs).

I say its egregious as the chip itself has zero information on this topic. Considering the thing (chip) is right where I expected it to be temp wise, all of this seems like some miscommunication nonsense damage control to give the impression management was in control of the situation. tongue.gif
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This is aggravating as these two parts three with the 1700, are couched as enthusiast grade components.

Maybe AMD should give the consumer a little credit?

I think we all "get" why this was done, but I don't think anyone I have talked with "appreciated" that it was done. This change was also coming out right after the mediocre reviews / game performance. So to recap, I think its damage control by management to give the impression they are "on top of" the situation... same with the Ryzen performance plan... but the latest version of Ryzen Master reports the correct temps, go figure.

Sorry about your thread, I guess that is how it goes. Couple months down the road you may have more feedback when the R# parts are in more hands.

All in all Ryzen seems solid enough, probably develop a more fleshed out opinion after a new video card purchase and maybe some pstate oc'n.
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So you're saying that your system also uses roughly 50% of one core 24/7. I don't buy it.

Time to reinstall Windows.

Speaking of your Core 0, I never had this issue on Enterprise LTSB install or my current W10 Pro install now. I'd check Process Monitor and pin down what is actually causing system interrupts. Even when I'm playing music, have chrome open (idle), using Discord, I'm at 3% and no where close what your Core 0 is doing.
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yesterday I tried to play with offset voltage setting on the taichi paired with 1700. I'm running it at 4050 with 1.393 volt, was at 4100 with 4.1xx and decided to stay below 1.4 but.
- when in pstate 0 I had to go back and forth to get the standard 1.8750v
- so for 1.39xx volt I need an offset of more than 20xx but it reverts always to 18750 why ? Is that the max offset value ? cannot be right?
- when I up the voltage in pstate0 to match the 18750 in offset voltage it would go in boot loop and I can't even get into the bios other than clearing CMOS
-also in Win10 pro whether in performance or amd balanced under additional power settings for each I see only "maximum processor frequency" not like others minimum ?? also put I 4050 in there ?
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While the conformal could be a valid point and i conformal my own boards....

I thought i might show this. No caps just a straight up pad direct to pcb behind socket...

caps? Same exact measurement...but pad easier to solder to.

So now alot of the speculation is removed...

As far as ground goes i was told use the one behind socket as well.

Maybe if i measured positive leg of cap and ground at socket....voltage would be identical.

And yes i compared molex vs pad directly after wiring it in to make sure resistance was not skewing results

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293130-Ryzen-Return-of-the-Jedi&p=5256260&viewfull=1#post5256260

Right on, nice work!

For a sanity check you could set that DMM to its lowest measurement value and measure +/- -/+ (swapping probe ends) between the traces and pads you believe know are the grounds to check for any stray voltage or float. Just to check if its a digital / planar / or earth reference.

The reason I mention it is so that you don't end up in a situation where you may ground loop the circuit cause of some sketch good 'nuff deadline engineering.

It looks like you have the C6H (good on you for that), and it looks to be the only board out there right now that had some actual engineering done on it moving the traces around before copy pasta'n the reference PCB from the x70 reference.

Feedback regulators / switched regulators tend to have harmonics that are undesirable in digital systems so there is a good chance the digital ground is isolated and tied together somewhere else on the board. I don't think it would hurt the DMM but the mobo and assorted goodies connected to it may be a different story. (I nicknamed my C6H "snowflake").

Usually spot a digital ground by looking for a 10~20 pf tantalum decoupling the circuit. The trace / node of the anode (-) side of the power cap is usually the reference / planar ground. With the screw mounts solder rings being the earth mains.

Hey, on another note I'm serious about that analog discovery scope. At 100 bucks with a 14 bit ADC its a little monster, I think you would get a kick out of it! If your already doing some PCB layout and project work it can help take you to the next level. It has an I2C decoder in it as well, super handy for debugging or creating arbitrary / test signals for gadgets.
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Is anyone getting CPU usage on one thread all the time for no reason? I'm getting about 40% usage on one thread all the time. Which is still low for the overall CPU usage, but annoying.

Under processes it appears to be coming from system interrupts but that doesn't tell me anything.

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Speaking of your Core 0, I never had this issue on Enterprise LTSB install or my current W10 Pro install now. I'd check Process Monitor and pin down what is actually causing system interrupts. Even when I'm playing music, have chrome open (idle), using Discord, I'm at 3% and no where close what your Core 0 is doing.


Could be recent update that's messy. Whatever the wifi is doing during the segment displayed in photo. Creators update apparently turned things on which I had disabled on non pro installs. Enterprise ltsb doesn't get the unsolicitied free software in the start menu or as much of the other telemetry eh? You're so missing out. It's fun hours of fun. Not including explaining "no, you really don't have that software" over and over...
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Could be recent update that's messy. Whatever the wifi is doing during the segment displayed in photo. Creators update apparently turned things on which I had disabled on non pro installs. Enterprise ltsb doesn't get the unsolicitied free software in the start menu or as much of the other telemetry eh? You're so missing out. It's fun hours of fun. Not including explaining "no, you really don't have that software" over and over...

I manually updated to 1703 and checked on 1603(?) and still didn't have this. Either way, looks like some tracking down if he is willing to learn what the issue is for future reference instead of doing a reinstall and it coming down to a old/new crappy driver.
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Is anyone getting CPU usage on one thread all the time for no reason? I'm getting about 40% usage on one thread all the time. Which is still low for the overall CPU usage, but annoying.

Under processes it appears to be coming from system interrupts but that doesn't tell me anything.

fB02Esh.png
For me the culprit was my USB 3.0 ports. When I plugged in an XBox controller or USB, usage would spike massively on core 0 and stay really high. Using USB 2.0 ports, everything stayed normal. But now that I plugged in my KB and mouse to the 3.0 ports, I don't get the issue anymore...
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I did a thing:

4.26 validated http://valid.x86.fr/47d5tf

FS Ultra @ 4.2 GHz http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12404482

Timespy CPU over 9k http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1608525

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What's your cooling solution? Custom loop? Will you be putting a monoblock on that CVIHero? smile.gif

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pffftt 1000 dollar graphics card lol
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