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Original 8086. I did not build it.. technically, by the time I moved on the only part that was original was the cpu.
I'll put my hercules graphics up against your Fury X any day. Color graphics baby.. As long as they were shades of green.. or possibly amber.

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I can't fold on a vic-20 tongue.gif
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I still have my Vic 20 as well! I bet if the 6502 had 32 or 64 bit registers and ran at 4GHz it would be a damn fast Vic 20!
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Haha I have mine in the box too, could never bring myself to get rid of it. That guy on the box looks so happy working on it. I think the old vic games would run just a pinch too fast at 4ghz sonic.gif

Damn, you guys got some antiques tongue.gif . I feel younger now tongue.gif.





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Well my chip needs 1.475V to hit 4.0 but 3.9 needs just 1.35V. I can boot to 4.1 with 1.52 but it's not stable. redface.gif

How's this make sense?

There will be an ACB OC point which is "optimal", for example mine is 3.7GHz with +50mV. Then you start hitting ~+100mV for ~+100MHz. 3.8GHz ACB = +162mV MAX 1.356V CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) in HWiNFO, 3.9GHz +250mV MAX ~1.444V. LLC: [Auto] used for all.
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On the fan topic, for my use its worthless... as I don't have any fans connected to the mobo! Just a single wire connected to the rpm trace on the 3 amp header on the C6H for my pump. I went with an external fan speed controller with thermocouples in the loop and on the hot spots.

Now as far as AMD goes and their policy / stance... I believe this is just for the 1700x and 1800x. My 1800x when going from idle to kicking in the XFR temps up with a quickness. Being a little fire cracker chip it really needs somewhere for the heat to go very quickly, or it would just heat soak and trip the Tjc limit and or throttle back, crash, or trip completely.

So, a knee jerk reaction at AMD went out and the mobo manufacturers had this "work around" pushed on them which was incorporated the latest bios revs. In my case it was snuck in with 1002. This seems like a lowest common denominator solution to a couple issues... such as fan speed run up, piss poor to no communication about AM4 backplates and cooling solution mounts, no technical information on proper pressure for the interface of the cooling solution to the IHS.

The last one is the most egregious as it really is just a matter of getting some linear springs for my old AM3 setup (if this was an actual issue, which it wasn't, seemed limited to spring clip designs).

I say its egregious as the chip itself has zero information on this topic. Considering the thing (chip) is right where I expected it to be temp wise, all of this seems like some miscommunication nonsense damage control to give the impression management was in control of the situation. tongue.gif
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This is aggravating as these two parts three with the 1700, are couched as enthusiast grade components.

Maybe AMD should give the consumer a little credit?

I think we all "get" why this was done, but I don't think anyone I have talked with "appreciated" that it was done. This change was also coming out right after the mediocre reviews / game performance. So to recap, I think its damage control by management to give the impression they are "on top of" the situation... same with the Ryzen performance plan... but the latest version of Ryzen Master reports the correct temps, go figure.

Sorry about your thread, I guess that is how it goes. Couple months down the road you may have more feedback when the R# parts are in more hands.

All in all Ryzen seems solid enough, probably develop a more fleshed out opinion after a new video card purchase and maybe some pstate oc'n.

Agree.

Yeah I should've started the Reddit thread with a box image tongue.gif , it would've rocketed wink.gif .

Regardless latest RM showing correct temps, my gripe is FW need offset resolved. Case and point being C6H, tCTL is read by Super IO chip, it then uses value to control fans. So peeps buying the board thinking I don't need fan controller as I can use board = disappointment. There is more I could add to this but will leave it there. Just hoping as platform mature "we" see improvement in aspects like this.

@Alex2014

See this post, also read doyll's post after mine. The NH-D15 also ends up close to GPU.





AIO can be better, they do over come other issues that larger HSF have. I do not deem them as vastly quieter than HSF, they still have fans and if a HS has decent performance then low fan speed is same as AIO setup IMO. I got my Archon SB-E X2 for ~£14 delivered 2nd hand off ebay ~2yrs ago, IMO the cooling performance it gives nothing can touch it with cost taken into account. You can see some compares here vs AIO of the time of review.

One of the reasons I love the Archon HS is single tower, pretty much no issue on allowing high RAM/4 slots use. Weight again vs other HS that give like performance is better.
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anyone ever experienced stuck cpu fan speed?.. i just watching dvd and suddenly my fan ramped up to 5.8kRPM while my temp readout is 48C. changing the fan curve did nothing unless i restart the system frown.gif

what a bummer

-add-

i use nidec 7.5kRPM PWM fan, power hooked directly to the PSU. this thing draws 3A on full speed
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Damn, you guys got some antiques tongue.gif . I feel younger now tongue.gif.



There will be an ACB OC point which is "optimal", for example mine is 3.7GHz with +50mV. Then you start hitting ~+100mV for ~+100MHz. 3.8GHz ACB = +162mV MAX 1.356V CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) in HWiNFO, 3.9GHz +250mV MAX ~1.444V. LLC: [Auto] used for all.
Agree.

Yeah I should've started the Reddit thread with a box image tongue.gif , it would've rocketed wink.gif .

Regardless latest RM showing correct temps, my gripe is FW need offset resolved. Case and point being C6H, tCTL is read by Super IO chip, it then uses value to control fans. So peeps buying the board thinking I don't need fan controller as I can use board = disappointment. There is more I could add to this but will leave it there. Just hoping as platform mature "we" see improvement in aspects like this.

@Alex2014

See this post, also read doyll's post after mine. The NH-D15 also ends up close to GPU.





AIO can be better, they do over come other issues that larger HSF have. I do not deem them as vastly quieter than HSF, they still have fans and if a HS has decent performance then low fan speed is same as AIO setup IMO. I got my Archon SB-E X2 for ~£14 delivered 2nd hand off ebay ~2yrs ago, IMO the cooling performance it gives nothing can touch it with cost taken into account. You can see some compares here vs AIO of the time of review.

One of the reasons I love the Archon HS is single tower, pretty much no issue on allowing high RAM/4 slots use. Weight again vs other HS that give like performance is better.
That's a very nice picture smile.gif

Made me miss my Amiga 500 so much redface.gif
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The DICE comment was more to explain why I thought the warranty is probably voided. It was the bottom slot, so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have got more than a cool breeze from the dry ice. I was wondering if the chillbox could have loosened up an adhesive or something like that.

I'm not sure.

I doubt the chill box had anything to do with that and to explain the reasoning we must start with the motherboards journey and the shipping industry.

Many boards are shipped by boat in shipping containers across the ocean in rather poor cold conditions and during winter.

Shipping containers are not heated.

Some are transported by air on a freight carrier ups/fed. They do not heat there cargo bays. It gets very cold.

Then there are tractor trailers once again cargo is unheated during winter when cold traveling at 65 mph the wind chill factor sets in. The cargo in the trailer can easily see sub 0c.

Last but not least they make it to a warehouse which once again many are unheated and cold.

I work in this industry so its not speculation its a fact.

So using logic a motherboard is subjected to cold quite often before you finally get it.
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I know this is the "Big" boy's thread(R7), but I wanted to know if this looks about right.

http://valid.x86.fr/efy5g5

I really haven't messed with anything yet. I did bump the memory to 2666mhz, and the ratio to 3725mz.

The max voltage(according to HWiNFO, yea I know biggrin.gif), was 1.238v. Temps seem fine to(again, according to HWiNFO), max has been 54.9°C(CPU Tctl/Tdie).
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I know this is the "Big" boy's thread(R7), but I wanted to know if this looks about right.

http://valid.x86.fr/efy5g5

I really haven't messed with anything yet. I did bump the memory to 2666mhz, and the ratio to 3725mz.

The max voltage(according to HWiNFO, yea I know biggrin.gif), was 1.238v. Temps seem fine to(again, according to HWiNFO), max has been 54.9°C(CPU Tctl/Tdie).

I have tested all the r5.

Frequency potential is all over the place. Anything 3.7 or better is decent especially under 1.40v

Some can not even break 3.4.

They are far less consistent than r7 which 3.7 is almost guaranteed.
Edited by chew* - 4/22/17 at 8:07am
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That's a very nice picture smile.gif

Made me miss my Amiga 500 so much redface.gif

Wow.... antiques eh? That's a first for me! As for the Amiga - geez, if we had a 64bit 4GHz Amiga it would wipe the floor of our PC's! They were amazing computers......maybe we could pop a Ryzen into one?

Back to cooling though - I'm using water for the first time - I've got an AIO - Masterliquid 120 - I know - i've been reading the thread, but it actually works really well - my temps are amazing (though I'm afraid to believe them nowadays). It's also way quieter than my old FX6300 with it's massive Artic Freezer or whatever it was called. I will post some info once I've got my probs all ironed out.
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I have tested all the r5.

Frequency potential is all over the place. Anything 3.7 or better is decent especially under 1.40v

Some can not even break 3.4.

They are far less consistent than r7 which 3.7 is almost guaranteed.

Cool, I haven't touched voltage or anything yet. I did try the AXMP profile(3200mhz), it rebooted and went back to the default. I'll read up on the memory and see what I can do. I'm not hopeful about hitting that atm.

Thanks for the feedback! thumb.gif
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Cool, I haven't touched voltage or anything yet. I did try the AXMP profile(3200mhz), it rebooted and went back to the default. I'll read up on the memory and see what I can do. I'm not hopeful about hitting that atm.

Thanks for the feedback! thumb.gif

Well try this. Set your bios defaults.
Save reboot.

Set cpu speed save reboot.
Set memory timings manually not by xmp leave mem speed auto. Save reboot
Move your mem speed up one at a time.
2666 save reboot.
2933 save reboot.
3200 save reboot.

Ryzen is picky and dislikes alot of changes at once.
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That's a very nice picture smile.gif

Made me miss my Amiga 500 so much redface.gif

Thanks smile.gif . Yeah break her out every so often, for special occasions wink.gif . It's nice to show to the kids what it was like wink.gif . The cover was removed as it had been a while since I cleaned her up inside. Original PSU, FDD, keyboard has yellowed a bit frown.gif .
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They were amazing computers......

Indeed, had A500 prior to that when I was in my teens, I think I've had the A1200 since launch.

Back on topic got 3rd on HWBot for Fury X TS today due to Ryzen CPU IMO drum.gif . TimeSpy R7/X370 vs i5/Z97.
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XPS - Q6600
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 Asus Crosshair VI Hero Sapphire Fury X@1145/545 G.Skill Trident Z 2x 8GB 3200MHz C14 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung Evo 840 ThermalRight Archon IB-E X2 + 2x TY143 ThermalRight TY-143 2x front case intake Arctic Cooling F12 + 2x F9 as rear case exhaust 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Pro x64 / Win 10 Pro x64 Asus MG279Q Cherry MX-Board 3.0 Cooler Master V850 
CaseMouse
SilverStone TJ06 Logitech G700S 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 4690K@4.9GHz 1.255V Asus Maximus VII Ranger Sapphire Fury X@1145/545 HyperX Savage 2x8GB 2400MHz C11 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung Evo 840 TR Archon SB-E X2 Win 7 Pro x64 / Win 10 x64 Asus MG279Q 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry MX-Board 3.0 Cooler Master V850 SilverStone TJ06 Logitech G700S 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Q6600 G0 Asus P5K Premium Black Pearl Sapphire Toxic HD5850 Corsair Dominator 4GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Crucial MX 100 256GB TR TRUE Rev.A Win 7 Pro x64 Cooler Master V650 
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