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I see a lot of talk about soc voltage,I know that is NOT the term used for it in the bios. Are you meaning core voltage or what other setting?.There is no "soc" voltage setting in my bios. I presume soc means socket,but as I said there is no such listing in the bios.

Soc is used as a term in 5 boards bios i have tested.

Technical meaning i honestly do not know...it is a voltage that stabilizes cpu nb (in cpu-z) known as infinity fabric on ryzen
Edited by chew* - 4/22/17 at 9:42am
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Ryzen has made the Firestrike Ultra Single GPU Hall of Fame (#100):

http://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/fire+strike+3dmark+score+ultra+preset/version+1.1/1+gpu

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I highly reccomend anyone wanting to truly unserstand the technical aspects of ryzen to follow "the stilt" on anandtech.

His knowledge is vast accurate and on the tehnical side of things way above my lvl. He will explain the rules and law of the architecture.

I will show you how to bend these rules and laws. That is where i excell.
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Must have a hell of a water cooling system to get temps at 64°C max with those voltages. What are you using to test and what are you using to check temps?

Yall wont like my answer but I don't use prime to test anything. When I had my Intel rigs I use to use it to show "stable" OC but I don't like it as others from some of the i7 threads said Intel burn test is unrealistic. I concur I have had OCs last forever that Intel Burn test would have crashed. My testing method is benches, compiling my programs, encoding and gaming with 24/7 use. If it does not crash doing everything I do on a regular basis, then its stable. Period. Atleast for me if yall do the intel burn test everyday for some reason thats cool, im just not. So I use CPUz bench/stress for a few hours then run my test compiler script, and then gaming and running my VM with pfsense and gaming. its 100% stable for me. I also use hwinfo 64 to look at temps and vcore it has some droop but not much on auto llc. set 1.42v and it uses 1.41v.

So back to my original question...Is this a safe vcore for daily driving on 24/7? will it atleast last a year or two you think? that's all I need. Thanks.
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I see a lot of talk about soc voltage,I know that is NOT the term used for it in the bios. Are you meaning core voltage or what other setting?.There is no "soc" voltage setting in my bios. I presume soc means socket,but as I said there is no such listing in the bios.

Might be called differently on the Gigabyte but pretty sure its there, maybe under VDDPSoc something like that. Someone with a g5 can chime in maybe.
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Yall wont like my answer but I don't use prime to test anything. When I had my Intel rigs I use to use it to show "stable" OC but I don't like it as others from some of the i7 threads said Intel burn test is unrealistic. I concur I have had OCs last forever that Intel Burn test would have crashed. My testing method is benches, compiling my programs, encoding and gaming with 24/7 use. If it does not crash doing everything I do on a regular basis, then its stable. Period. Atleast for me if yall do the intel burn test everyday for some reason thats cool, im just not. So I use CPUz bench/stress for a few hours then run my test compiler script, and then gaming and running my VM with pfsense and gaming. its 100% stable for me. I also use hwinfo 64 to look at temps and vcore it has some droop but not much on auto llc. set 1.42v and it uses 1.41v.

So back to my original question...Is this a safe vcore for daily driving on 24/7? will it atleast last a year or two you think? that's all I need. Thanks.

Same way i test mine, only real i do 30mins of realbench is because its tests all 3 at once more so then gaming would, intel burn test is indeed unrealistic unless you're folding or encoding 24/7. I've built at least 100 PCs in my 15years of building and none have returned that I've OCed. Hell, i even delided every single PC ive built recently just because.

If it's stable doing what you do then its stable, my 4690k was stable then restarded randomly so i went from 1.20 to 1.21 and had no issues. If we're going by gaming temps though mine doesn't even reach 40°C lol. Stress testing is VERY subjective and me personally i think more then an hr is pointless, yea let me run my cpu at 1.45v for 24hrs and degrade it to hell more in one day then it will see in a year lol.

And yes 1.4x should be fine provided its cooled adequately shouldn't be an issue.
    
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Might be called differently on the Gigabyte but pretty sure its there, maybe under VDDPSoc something like that. Someone with a g5 can chime in maybe.
Same way i test mine, only real i do 30mins of realbench is because its tests all 3 at once more so then gaming would, intel burn test is indeed unrealistic unless you're folding or encoding 24/7. I've built at least 100 PCs in my 15years of building and none have returned that I've OCed. Hell, i even delided every single PC ive built recently just because.

If it's stable doing what you do then its stable, my 4690k was stable then restarded randomly so i went from 1.20 to 1.21 and had no issues. If we're going by gaming temps though mine doesn't even reach 40°C lol. Stress testing is VERY subjective and me personally i think more then an hr is pointless, yea let me run my cpu at 1.45v for 24hrs and degrade it to hell more in one day then it will see in a year lol.

And yes 1.4x should be fine provided its cooled adequately shouldn't be an issue.

Thanks man appreciate the feedback. Nice to see others with logic when testing. lol mine in gaming dont break 58c iirc so yea maybe my cooler sucks? I have the gamerstorm ex captian 240. I got it because it had ok reviews and matched my storm trooper theme. stress testing with cine or cpuz or firestrrike is when it gets into the mid 60s.
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Hello,

Neeed some help and advices.
I bought and Asus Crosshair VI+Ryzen 1700+corsair lpx vengeance 16gb(2x8gb)3200Mhz.
Sadly for cooling i have just stock cooler(wraith spire),i had previously on my old system and hyper 212 evo and read that was same as this one.
My 2 request advices would be wich cooler to get.My first choice would be Noctua nh-D15.Is an AIO better than that one?My 2nd point is the psu.I have a Corsair RM650x and for cpu i had just the 8 pin and not the +4 one.For overclocking do i have to change my PSU?

I tryed some OC,didn't succeded to get more than 2400 stable for ram and 3.8Ghz on cpu.
My settings are:
CPU core voltage 1.33125(affraid to put cpu on high voltage as i do not to have a short life but willing to listen to advices, i am just a beginner in oc)
VDDSOC voltage override 1.20
DRAM voltage 1.35.

Thank you for your help

I have to say the Evo is more than enough. At 1.385V in IBT maximum I never saw above 65° with a 20°C ambient. With a max temp of 95°C on these chips this cooler still has plenty of headroom. This is with a 1350RPM Arctic F12 for the pull fan and the stock push fan. My only gripe with it is that with the adapter it can only be pointed towards the top or bottom of the motherboard. It would be nice to point it towards the back.

I never tried the Wraith but if it is as good as the Evo I would even consider sticking with that because it blows down on the board, so it would help to cool the VRMs and chokes...and also it looks prettier.

As for the PSU it should be more than enough unless you want to run two very power-hungry video cards (and even then it could probably pull it off if you don't go insane with your overclocks/voltages). Just the 8-pin itself is overkill for powering these CPUs. Having an 8+4 would just be ridiculous overkill.
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I would appreciate some feedback from anyone who has gotten their chip 4ghz + stable with IBT max or 90%. I have been testing two chips for over a month and I am frustrated because I have OC experience and went all out on parts (CH6, G.skill 2x8 3600 C16 b-die, Corsair H100i w/noctua fans, Nvidia 1080, case with massive cooling, Corsair RM1000W psu). The two chips and results are below, I can still return either or both as I really wanted 4ghz with fast ram to be on par with i7700k for gaming.
Chip 1) 1700 This chip acted totally as I thought it would, comfortable at 3.8ghz but 3.9 ghz was it's max and required 1.45v LLC 3
Chip 2) 1800X This chip was very strange right out of the box (and both are on 81 bios, also tried 1002 same)
Firstly, the 1800X stock settings, nothing touched at all failed IBT maximum after about 10-15 minutes or 1-3 runs in, and when it fails it instantly turns the computer off with code 8, no errors or program ending, complete crash. So then I started overclocking it, and I only use manual volts and multiplier, no p state for me! The chip will hit a wall at 3.95ghz which requires 1.38125v LLC3 to get IBT to pass, this seems a little high to me, but not that bad, would have preferred LLC 2 (per elmor/stilt), but I can live with LLC 3 as hwinfo always reports volts <= 1.38125. The chip will do 4ghz at 1.45v LLC 3 and once again pass everything EXCEPT IBT maximum or 90%, and then one again it will just turn off the computer 10-15 minutes into it on run 1-3 randomly with code 8. I imagine I could get it to pass at some silly voltage like 1.5v LLC 3, but I am not willing to run that 24/7, 1.45v LLC 3 I think is the safe 24/7 max until proven otherwise, seeing stock chips go to 1.51v does lead me to believe it can probably handle 1.5, but not 24/7.
So my question is did I get a bad 1800X? Even the 1700 when failing IBT doesn't just turn off the computer, it gives a normal error in windows. If I got a bad 1800X I can exchange it for a new one if you guys think there is something wrong with it since it shuts off rather than reports errors normally, and I would assume based on other peoples statistics and silicon lottery numbers that I paid up for an 1800X because they all pretty much hit 4ghz with 1.4 to 1.44v LLC 3. Also I don't see much of a point in paying up for an 1800X to get 3.95ghz if my 1700 does .9 ghz at the same 1.45v LLC 3 at half the price for 50mhz difference. Even if it does burn out early, I can buy another 1700 for the price of 1800X. I am really thinking my 1800X is defective, not just because it can't hit 4ghz stabily, but because no matter what speed I run it at , when it fails it just turns off the computer instantly with code 8 crash, no windows errors or anything normal. So I am leaning towards exchanging the 1800X and am fine with paying up for one that gets 4ghz without these complete shut downs under stress and since I have good cooling, maybe I will get lucky and get a little over 4ghz. But if you guys really think that most 1800Xs act like mine and don't get quite 4ghz, then I really have a tough decision on whether to keep it, exchange it, or just go with the half priced 1700 at 3.9ghz. I know it is not my memory and am running 3200mhz 1.37v cas 14-14-14-34 stabily, maybe it is just bios teething and the chip is fine and will hit 4ghz with reasonable voltages next bios, or maybe I have a bad mobo, but doubt it since the 1700 didn't just shut off the computer when IBT stressed and that also tells me it is not the PSU (which is overkill anyways). So to all the over 4ghz club experts, what would you recomend for me to do to get 4ghz or over IBT max stable with reasonable voltages? Exhange it or ????
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Speaking of your Core 0, I never had this issue on Enterprise LTSB install or my current W10 Pro install now. I'd check Process Monitor and pin down what is actually causing system interrupts. Even when I'm playing music, have chrome open (idle), using Discord, I'm at 3% and no where close what your Core 0 is doing.

I ran Latency Mon and Process Explorer (which conveniently doesn't give specifics to interrupts). Latency Mon showed a lot of interrupts from ACPI.sys. I ran sfc /scannow but it didn't find any issues. I tried a few hotfixes without luck.

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Could be recent update that's messy. Whatever the wifi is doing during the segment displayed in photo. Creators update apparently turned things on which I had disabled on non pro installs. Enterprise ltsb doesn't get the unsolicitied free software in the start menu or as much of the other telemetry eh? You're so missing out. It's fun hours of fun. Not including explaining "no, you really don't have that software" over and over...

It could be. I installed the creator's update rather than doing a clean install which I regret. I didn't realize that an "update" would make so many changes that it would create a Windows.Old folder like when upgrading from Windows 7/8. I'll install the ISO that includes the creator's update this time.

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For me the culprit was my USB 3.0 ports. When I plugged in an XBox controller or USB, usage would spike massively on core 0 and stay really high. Using USB 2.0 ports, everything stayed normal. But now that I plugged in my KB and mouse to the 3.0 ports, I don't get the issue anymore...

I had that problem with another build and fixed it by updating the USB 3.0 drivers. It doesn't look like that's the problem here though. I'm just going to reinstall Windows.
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