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Seems like staying under 1.2 is whats recommended but with a new ec re-write could possibly run more. Not even sure anyone in here knows what soc really does to be honest but it absolutely seems to help with ram. I think it may be something with start up voltage for the entire board or maybe just for the ec or imc no clue haha.

My bios allows up to 1.3 but even then, 1.2 did not help with booting at the rated memory speed, still cant seem to get past 2667 no matter what voltage i run or how i play with the timings.
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I see a lot of talk about soc voltage,I know that is NOT the term used for it in the bios. Are you meaning core voltage or what other setting?.There is no "soc" voltage setting in my bios. I presume soc means socket,but as I said there is no such listing in the bios.

System On-a Chip I assume?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_on_a_chip

May find more infos in the wiki which translate the mobo manufacturers settings.
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I really don't understand people's obsession with IBT. That not practical usage at all ever unless you are a hard core data analyst/crunching. I program and game and stream and encode and im cruising at 4GHz. Use your PC for what you bought it for.

I do runs of f@h at times for ~175hrs continuous. The i5/Z97 in my sig that was it's daily OC for ~1.5 yrs, it went through same setup as what by Ryzen rig is. I had 0 issues in my uses wink.gif .

My Q6600/P5K I have had since launch, OC'd within 1st week, it only got retired from daily use in 2015, it is still used for extreme f@h at times, no issues, no degradation, like my i5 wink.gif .

As said before by bluej511 and others, stability testing is subjective to each person, I let you be on your stance and I expect to be left on mine wink.gif .

My post on IBT AVX is to help also any others that are scratching their heads or may needlessly give extra voltages to system when IBT AVX failure is another reason.

BTW you asked earlier concerning voltages recommendations and did not get a reply. Check thread in my signature, a relevant section has AMD recommendations which you may or may not find useful.

I bid you all the best on your Ryzen exploits wink.gif .
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My bios allows up to 1.3 but even then, 1.2 did not help with booting at the rated memory speed, still cant seem to get past 2667 no matter what voltage i run or how i play with the timings.

Dont change too many settings at once, change soc, save and reset and then try to change ram speed. Boot voltage for dram might help as well.
    
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I do runs of f@h at times for ~175hrs continuous. The i5/Z97 in my sig that was it's daily OC for ~1.5 yrs, it went through same setup as what by Ryzen rig is. I had 0 issues in my uses wink.gif .

My Q6600/P5K I have had since launch, OC'd within 1st week, it only got retired from daily use in 2015, it is still used for extreme f@h at times, no issues, no degradation, like my i5 wink.gif .

As said before by bluej511 and others, stability testing is subjective to each person, I let you be on your stance and I expect to be left on mine wink.gif .

My post on IBT AVX is to help also any others that are scratching their heads or may needlessly give extra voltages to system when IBT AVX failure is another reason.

BTW you asked earlier concerning voltages recommendations and did not get a reply. Check thread in my signature, a relevant section has AMD recommendations which you may or may not find useful.

I bid you all the best on your Ryzen exploits wink.gif .

Thanks for the info I checked it out looks like im safe until greed takes ahold and I go for higher. lol

My problem with the proliferation of IBT or y-cruncher will confuse noobs into thinking that is the defacto test. But stability is objective. If you rig passed IBT and they came out with another program that crunched harder and caused you to crash would you then no longer believe you are stable? See it like forever pushing the goal post imo. Use it for what you built it for, if thats folding cool, if its not thats also cool. But some come off like its necessity to use IBT or you are simply not stable.

P.S. stop winking at me im getting creeped out. tongue.gif
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@Dimaggio1103

f@h differing work units can have differing loads on rig. So you could pass say x hours/units and then you hit a harder unit and pop goes your setup. So my method is to use other tests to know I will be stable for that.

f@h in it's own right is also a good test, as CPU/GPU load at times is not pegged at max. And this "yoyo" of loading then is placing CPU/GPU in other states, then this "yoyo" effect is also good vs a fixed max load test as system "bouncing" could destabilse OC.

I also get bitten by curiosity at times, which drives me to know answer. Which IBT did to me, I wanted to know why? that is resolved for me.

So yes my methods differ to others, which is just my choice. Yes the "goal posts" could move, but then again it is my choice if I wish to then again attain the need to reach these "goal posts".

Yes you are fine IMO. There was a question posed by another earlier on why the recommendation is x on web regarding voltage and I answered as I best know. So taking that into account and how you use your system and will not be throwing loads at it like I am you are "safer".

Sorry about the wink.gif , I'll just say it can be a involuntary action at times smile.gif . I have sometimes noted another reading text can take something out of context. So placing a wink.gif or smile.gif can convey that the text has good intention and not trying to upset another. I have noted your tongue.gif so know you have a jovial context to text and take no offense smile.gif . Earlier in thread when I commented on one of your posts I placed a thumb.gif , to indicate my good intention.
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I really don't understand people's obsession with IBT. That not practical usage at all ever unless you are a hard core data analyst/crunching. I program and game and stream and encode and im cruising at 4GHz. Use your PC for what you bought it for.

IBT is definitely not a realistic usage scenario and I'm not suggesting that it is. It's a tool for finding system instability when overclocking. It will find instabilities that other stress test might take 8 or 24 hours to find. If your system does not pass IBT, it simply means it's not stable. If it were, it would pass. So when you're trying to dial in your OC it is a useful tool and it doubles as a benchmark too because it reports GFlops.

Other people may be ok with having a system that "appears stable for most use cases" and that's fine. Personally I just hate having to reformat my system, so I like to ensure stability. If a system isn't stable it might take weeks or even months before you have an issue during normal usage, but when you do it could cause data corruption forcing you to format and it's a PITA so that's why I like to make sure it's stable.
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@Dimaggio1103

f@h differing work units can have differing loads on rig. So you could pass say x hours/units and then you hit a harder unit and pop goes your setup. So my method is to use other tests to know I will be stable for that.

f@h in it's own right is also a good test, as CPU/GPU load at times is not pegged at max. And this "yoyo" of loading then is placing CPU/GPU in other states, then this "yoyo" effect is also good vs a fixed max load test as system "bouncing" could destabilse OC.

I also get bitten by curiosity at times, which drives me to know answer. Which IBT did to me, I wanted to know why? that is resolved for me.

So yes my methods differ to others, which is just my choice. Yes the "goal posts" could move, but then again it is my choice if I wish to then again attain the need to reach these "goal posts".

Yes you are fine IMO. There was a question posed by another earlier on why the recommendation is x on web regarding voltage and I answered as I best know. So taking that into account and how you use your system and will not be throwing loads at it like I am you are "safer".

Sorry about the wink.gif , I'll just say it can be a involuntary action at times smile.gif . I have sometimes noted another reading text can take something out of context. So placing a wink.gif or smile.gif can convey that the text has good intention and not trying to upset another. I have noted your tongue.gif so know you have a jovial context to text and take no offense smile.gif . Earlier in thread when I commented on one of your posts I placed a thumb.gif , to indicate my good intention.

I agree with your "yoyo" alliteration. I too do distributed computing projects, not F@H, but the same max stress on both CPU and multiple GPUs. I can pass all of the steady state stress tests for many hours, but a full hour of my normal workload will almost assuredly show me an unstable system and that it needs to be backed off on the overclocking.thumb.gif
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Great! How smooth are they compared to 6700K?

@diggiddi
the 6700k is with one of my brothers at the moment, he needed a daily driver for gaming and I told him not to buy a new system since I had a good one lying around. I was able to do some quick and dirty comparisons with my 4790k/GTX 1070 system. It's not a pure apples/apples comparison as I haven't had time to set that all up, though I'll try to do so in the coming week by adding data for 4790k Crossfire and Ryzen with the 1070.

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Yeh its absurd, i was going to buy a 16GB kit for this new build, wound up just going with 8 for 69.99 which is outrageous considering i barely spent 40 on the same for DDR3 years ago.

It's why I bought my memory during Black Friday last year. There reports back then that DDR4 would be going up this year due to changes being made at the manufacturing lines. I think I read somewhere it's due to SSD memory production ramping up, possibly combined with other changes (DDR5, HBM, ?)

But yeah...you wouldn't normally expect to see these kinds of jumps for what remains mainstream memory.

Still beats $50 per *MB* "back in the day..."
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