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It wasn't meant to be arrogant so my apologies. I've been doing this a long time and know there is a massive difference between water and air. Are you suggesting that I need a baseline for air before saying that water is an improvement? Personally, I don't think thats really necessary. I don't need to poke holes in my tires and drive for 15 miles to confidently say that I'm going to go faster with 34psi in each. You said that the CPU doesn't benefit much from water and I'm saying it does.
Also, idle temps are very important to me for a number of reasons. If you'd like, we can do a side by side comparison of temps at equal volts and frequencies.

Again, didn't intend to come off arrogant. I try to be anything but that as I don't know near as much as most here.

I already idle at lower temps and will get lower temps then you at load. Problem is i have a gpu in my loop as well so unless you have an r9 390 as well comparison wouldnt be fair.

Never said there was no difference its just not as massive as you think.

And you do need a comparison to air or else its just theory and not fact.

P.S. At 1.44v id max out mid 60°s on my cpu
    
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i agree,
i brought zalman air cooler, then a h100 and then a xspc kit.
the air cooler and the h100 cost the same money as the kit, just buy a kit and don't buy anything else.
there are very good air coolers, but the size of them and there weight will make them a problem.
when i swopped to a h100 i saw about 5c difference, 5c is nothing to play with at all.

5°C isn't much. Could be down to doing testing on a cooler day. If you dropped 10°C from air to water would be a decent drop but doesn't happen often.

I have 2 systems on custom loops and 2 on air so i know what im talking about. This is with summer ambients of 28°C no a/c
    
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yer, that's with just stock fans, you can make a big improvement with better fan and push pall, but, you could also get a much better pump and block via a full kit and can still upgrade them fans.
    
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yer, that's with just stock fans, you can make a big improvement with better fan and push pall, but, you could also get a much better pump and block via a full kit and can still upgrade them fans.
just don't use fans with mixed voltages on the h100, I did, and it burns out the fan header.
    
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i agree,
i brought zalman air cooler, then a h100 and then a xspc kit.
the air cooler and the h100 cost the same money as the kit, just buy a kit and don't buy anything else.
there are very good air coolers, but the size of them and there weight will make them a problem.
when i swopped to a h100 i saw about 5c difference, 5c is nothing to play with at all.

You have some valid points.

The water vs. air thing... outside of the GPU I'm not sure how much of a difference it will make on this platform. Now if you have a 7700K that you don't want to delid and you want to overclock... you might be pushing a thermal limit with air (it's going to be hot even with water juiced up without a delid). On Ryzen heat isn't so much of a limit from what I've seen.

I don't run CPU air coolers because of a personal choice. Size is part of that... but mostly it's just the idiot things I do to make my system look crazy... are easier for me to do with WC parts. Definitely not cheaper but I'm certainly not even close to the expensive end of water.

I'm also going to say that I do like the fact it's cooler even if it's not much. Electronics are best served by less heat in general... but I also agree that the temp drop on most GPU's is more than you're going to see on the CPU. The first GPU I blocked... had a standard operating temp in the 90C range... post water block it never went out of the 40C range no matter what I did to it.
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I already idle at lower temps and will get lower temps then you at load. Problem is i have a gpu in my loop as well so unless you have an r9 390 as well comparison wouldnt be fair.

Never said there was no difference its just not as massive as you think.

And you do need a comparison to air or else its just theory and not fact.

P.S. At 1.44v id max out mid 60°s on my cpu

60c is very nice indeed for max. And you're right, I don't have a 390 in my loop. I wasn't looking for lab results, just something for funzies.
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You have some valid points.

The water vs. air thing... outside of the GPU I'm not sure how much of a difference it will make on this platform. Now if you have a 7700K that you don't want to delid and you want to overclock... you might be pushing a thermal limit with air (it's going to be hot even with water juiced up without a delid). On Ryzen heat isn't so much of a limit from what I've seen.

I don't run CPU air coolers because of a personal choice. Size is part of that... but mostly it's just the idiot things I do to make my system look crazy... are easier for me to do with WC parts. Definitely not cheaper but I'm certainly not even close to the expensive end of water.

I'm also going to say that I do like the fact it's cooler even if it's not much. Electronics are best served by less heat in general... but I also agree that the temp drop on most GPU's is more than you're going to see on the CPU. The first GPU I blocked... had a standard operating temp in the 90C range... post water block it never went out of the 40C range no matter what I did to it.

Exactly right. Ryzen you'll drop a fair share just because its soldered therefore much better transfer but they do tend to run cool to begin with.

My 4690k went from 54° to 49 from air to a 240mm. Added a 360 and my temp went from 49 to 47 lol HOWEVER r9 390 went from 74°C to 40°C now thats a temp drop.
    
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I opened up Overwatch to test my H110i with a very silent profile. I can barely hear my fans going and the CPU is ~50C under average load. Idles at 30-40C (Temp does these weird spikes).



Running Linpack the fans will kick in as expected (I have them kick in at 70C) and temps won't go above 75.

^ Just a few minute run to show CPU Temps being constant.

This is at 1.35v Vcore. Getting 4Ghz on my Chip is very hard. (1.435v Vcore, basically CPU Core Voltage goes < 1.4 I crash) So I don't run it.


Edit: Didn't get a good screen cap for my first example. Just trust me.
Edited by Secret Dragoon - 4/24/17 at 8:29am
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I opened up Overwatch to test my H100i with a very silent profile. I can barely hear my fans going and it's ~50C under average load. Idles at 30-40C (Temp does these weird spikes).



Running Linpack the fans will kick in as expected (I have them kick in at 70C) and temps won't go above 75.

^ Just a few minute run to show CPU Temps being constant.

This is at 1.35v Vcore. Getting 4Ghz on my Chip is very hard. (1.435v Vcore, basically CPU Core Voltage goes < 1.4 I crash) So I don't run it.


Edit: Didn't get a good screen cap for my first example. Just trust me.

Not too bad for an h100. Ive noticed spikes as well just doing basic tasks its very odd. Ill peak at 49°C randomly but realbench only hits like 48°C lol.

Might be the creators update i think.

P.S. Use the vcore above cpu power its the most accurate SFI or whatever its called. Gives you the vrm vcore reading.
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I have as yet to put gpu's underwater. my loops just doing the cpu, the fx is what I brought it for and it did the job.
have a look at my fx burn mark.
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