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So SW/DMM is not going to give the member the current or average reads of voltage correctly. So if his limit is 1.4V over the course of time his voltage is going to be higher than what he wishes / thinks is set, etc. So I think the argument for using LLC falls flat there?

I never said it will be detrimental. I never said he has to do as I say. I shared my opinion and provided information for him to view to make an informed decision.

Leakage also plays a part in how LL will behave.
So a higher leakage CPU will have a greater LL effect. The overshoot from loaded to idle will be greater as well. How much? I have no idea. Hopefully we will get some information from experienced good source.

Again only to provide information.

I shall now not post. The member had in a previous post stated he found no OC guide, so I was going to share stuff and help out, but I see no need now.

Where did this come from? Nobody is saying you shouldn't provide feedback, that is what we're all doing. I was pointing out there is a use for LLC, whether it is used (or necessary in this instance), is another story.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned or anyone else noticed this, but it's something annoying I've noticed with the latest CPU-Z update meant for Ryzen CPUs. It would seem that the new benchmark version favors Intel CPUs and has put them above Ryzen CPUs in conditions in which they were the other way around.

Here's what I mean: my R7 1700 @3950 vs i7 6700K with versions 1.78 and 1.79


7700K was removed from the reference but single threaded performance was just a bit shy of my 1700 at 3950 before, not I'm under the 7600K at the same settings.

Weird?
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On my 1700, even with Extreme LLC on my Gigabyte K7 I never overshoot on Vcore (CPU's Sensor, not MB's). Actually, it seems like the only overshoot that happens is on the MB's Vcore reading. Also the differences between the two are almost 0.06v.

I did a writeup about this on [reddit] but I didn't get the response I was looking for (aka I got no response).

Clearly I don't understand how droop and LLC work.

Like Gup posted above, the overshoot happens in microseconds so the software doesnt read it (hence the mention of Raja's results with an oscope).
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Then I guess it's probably wise to drop down to Medium LLC like I've been suspecting.
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There is a reason to use LLC, it just may not be needed in this instance. With that said, if 1.4v is the highest vcore this member is willing to use on a 24/7 basis, the only way to gain stability with that setting would likely be LLC (provided the stability issues are vcore related). I'm considerably more aggressive with the use of LLC than many of the members in the C6H thread but I'm willing to deal with the consequences should it go south (though I believe the likelihood of this happening prior to an upgrade in the next couple years to be relatively insignificant). Assuming the risks of increasing LLC is a decision we have to make.

I don't see the risk of LLC. The board will use it automatically to some extent anyway. I would rather run a lower voltage with a high LLC than a higher voltage without it as LLC is just a response curve to respond to v-drop...
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Where did this come from? Nobody is saying you shouldn't provide feedback, that is what we're all doing. I was pointing out there is a use for LLC, whether it is used (or necessary in this instance), is another story.

This has come from that I'm not going to keep going on repeating / explaining information which is there to be read. I'll just be creating post after post of explaining the same thing over and over again.

At one point a member just has to choose not to keep saying I do x because of x, I think this is AOK and x is not, I do x stability testing because of x, etc, etc ....

I mean to not offend you and I do not feel upset anyway from any other member on this discussion. I'm just choosing not to post on the matter anymore smile.gif .
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Cpu is sub 0 and my goals atm are working with and around imc coldbug wink.gif

Im not sane im friends with the monster thats under my bed, get along with voices inside of my head.

If you find something let me know. I did all my first round at 2933 cause I didn't want a fight. It was really smooth though at that speed no CB/CBB always rebooted without a hitch.
I think I found the 1600x you were looking for biggrin.gif

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Where did this come from? Nobody is saying you shouldn't provide feedback, that is what we're all doing. I was pointing out there is a use for LLC, whether it is used (or necessary in this instance), is another story.

This has come from that I'm not going to keep going on repeating / explaining information which is there to be read. I'll just be creating post after post of explaining the same thing over and over again.

At one point a member just has to choose not to keep saying I do x because of x, I think this is AOK and x is not, I do x stability testing because of x, etc, etc ....

I mean to not offend you and I do not feel upset anyway from any other member on this discussion. I'm just choosing not to post on the matter anymore smile.gif .

I appreciate all the time and effort you've been putting in here Gups, It's not easy balancing work life and your hobbies at times and I know you've put countless hours into Ryzen and it's only 2 months old. cheers.gif
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I think I found the 1600x you were looking for biggrin.gif

Mighty fine 1600X you got from shares I've seen thumb.gif .
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I appreciate all the time and effort you've been putting in here Gups, It's not easy balancing work life and your hobbies at times and I know you've put countless hours into Ryzen and it's only 2 months old. cheers.gif

No problem mate smile.gif , just a little fish in the big pond wink.gif . Plenty of shares from yourself and others that have helped me and others grouphug.gif .
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what are you guys cinebench score for 4 ghz R7 1700 ? I got 1708 in cinebench with 4.0 ghz 1700 , 2666mhz Ram . Isn't it too low for my cpu speed ?
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Not sure if this has been mentioned or anyone else noticed this, but it's something annoying I've noticed with the latest CPU-Z update meant for Ryzen CPUs. It would seem that the new benchmark version favors Intel CPUs and has put them above Ryzen CPUs in conditions in which they were the other way around.

Here's what I mean: my R7 1700 @3950 vs i7 6700K with versions 1.78 and 1.79


7700K was removed from the reference but single threaded performance was just a bit shy of my 1700 at 3950 before, not I'm under the 7600K at the same settings.

Weird?

I noticed the same thing, a much lower score and a change to what CPU-z compares Ryzen to.

Seems a bit weird to me- I'm not generally a tinfoil hat wearer... but this is fishy.
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