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found this to be an interesting thread over on the MSI forums https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284497.50

I was part of team ROG. One of those roles is forum/ end user support.

First off we had 100% contact with ASUS usa hq.

Secondly...if i responded like some of there mods have....i would have gotten the boot.

I used to do support work for Olivetti years ago. Olivetti was usually a challenge as customers would get the first example of product that entered the country, often before we were even told about the products existence. Even though Olivetti sold email solutions, we didn't have it and there was no internet back then. We would get copies of documentation in Italian with anything in English arriving a month after release. I did get pretty good at reading Italian. I guess that it demonstrates why Olivetti isn't around any more.

 

 In my dealings with MSI in the past, I think that poor MSI management has hung these guys out to dry a bit and the communication between the support forum guys and the engineering guys is not particularly good or well organized. The way the support guys deal with their own challenges does create most of their own problems, but that also speaks to poor management putting these guys in that situation in the first place. Unfortunately, they have developed such a level of "trench thinking" that it doesn't matter what anyone from our side posts, we are all just the "enemy".

 

I live in Hong Kong and at times, cross cultural communication can be challenging. Maybe the Senior managers in Taiwan find it all too hard dealing with or effectively communicating with the "unruly foreigners" they have working in the support areas who just want to question things all the time rather than just blindly say yes to everything and find it all too hard so they just ignore give them the barest levels of attention?? 

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This is all my voltage settings I can see. Where do I start? I can only use RyzenMaster to increase vcore at the moment but I have to open it every time I start windows and click apply. Won't apply when I restart.

Have you access to BIOS? Some boards have UEFI mode and BIOS mode. I don't have a specific board to reference, but if you have the ability to do so that's what I would recommend. thinking.gif

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Yeh that one mod is particularly aggressive with customers there, I used to work for Lamptron if anyone remembers them. You can be vocal but you have to be respectful of the customer concerns as well.

I concur on that man.

I was on that forum some time ago but don't go there anymore because of these weird mods.. I had a couple of critical questions and they went on me for no reason at all, at that day i never go there anymore.
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Thanks a bunch. No wonder I couldn't find it. Wrong thread searched.
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I used to do support work for Olivetti years ago. Olivetti was usually a challenge as customers would get the first example of product that entered the country, often before we were even told about the products existence. Even though Olivetti sold email solutions, we didn't have it and there was no internet back then. We would get copies of documentation in Italian with anything in English arriving a month after release. I did get pretty good at reading Italian. I guess that it demonstrates why Olivetti isn't around any more.

 In my dealings with MSI in the past, I think that poor MSI management has hung these guys out to dry a bit and the communication between the support forum guys and the engineering guys is not particularly good or well organized. The way the support guys deal with their own challenges does create most of their own problems, but that also speaks to poor management putting these guys in that situation in the first place. Unfortunately, they have developed such a level of "trench thinking" that it doesn't matter what anyone from our side posts, we are all just the "enemy".

I live in Hong Kong and at times, cross cultural communication can be challenging. Maybe the Senior managers in Taiwan find it all too hard dealing with or effectively communicating with the "unruly foreigners" they have working in the support areas who just want to question things all the time rather than just blindly say yes to everything and find it all too hard so they just ignore give them the barest levels of attention?? 

Cultural issues seem to be a MAJOR challenge still to this day with the chinese companies. I left Lamptron for just that reason. When myself and Andy were brought on board back in 08-09 they had little concept of the north american and european markets. They couldn't understand the disgust with the "made in china" label, nor could they also understand our strict safety standards. We would get products that were major fire hazards on initial concept and had to explain why it would be a bad idea to sell this to a consumer. Disregards for safety is something that seems to plague chinese manufacturers. Had an air compressor explode on me one time due to manufacturing defects in the metal from being cheaply made. Frankly I am still surprised they are in business this long.
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So I'm wondering what cpu voltage are most of you people looking at SVI2 TFN or VDDCR CPU? I got 3.8 running at 1.30v VDDCR but SVI2 shows 1.25v
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Man why are yall giving this poor guy bad advice how unprofessional.

Alright man Ill help you! Dont bake it in the oven you gotta put hairspray on the pcb like a lot. Then take out side hit with a lighter it will flash the old solder off and allow you to put the new cpu in. When thats done take a propane torch lightly the the bottom of the cpu untill you see the pins heat up. Once that happens press it into the pcb and your set. thumb.gif

I can try soldering the pins individually. Is there a specific pattern they need to be soldered to? Or will it generally work if you have enough flux between the metals.

There also seems to be more pins on the 1700x, can I solder multiple pins into one part of the pcb?
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I see a lot of talk about soc voltage,I know that is NOT the term used for it in the bios. Are you meaning core voltage or what other setting?.There is no "soc" voltage setting in my bios. I presume soc means socket,but as I said there is no such listing in the bios.

Soc is used as a term in 5 boards bios i have tested.

Technical meaning i honestly do not know...it is a voltage that stabilizes cpu nb (in cpu-z) known as infinity fabric on ryzen

 

@os2wiz

 

SOC stands for "System on a Chip" and covers all the bits of the chip that are not the Core CPU components such as Memory controllers , IO controllers (PCIe, sata, USB) and the data fabric communication between everything. Intel would refer to it as Uncore. The SOC voltage adjustment is effectively the Ryzen equivalent of VCCIO voltage on an Intel system.

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So I'm wondering what cpu voltage are most of you people looking at SVI2 TFN or VDDCR CPU? I got 3.8 running at 1.30v VDDCR but SVI2 shows 1.25v

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And what of them is the voltage that AMD claims to not excide 1.45 mV
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