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+1

And what of them is the voltage that AMD claims to not excide 1.45 mV

Well I could gam @ 4.0Ghz with 1.4v for hours with no issues. SuperPosition, Cinebench, SuperPi, Heaven and Aida64 all stable for loops over 1hr, but Asus ROG RealBench cause black screen crashes till I upped Vcore to 1.45V. rolleyes.gif

So now I'm running 1.45, right at the "safe" limit AMD recommends for overclocking.
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Well I could gam @ 4.0Ghz with 1.4v for hours with no issues. SuperPosition, Cinebench, SuperPi, Heaven and Aida64 all stable for loops over 1hr, but Asus ROG RealBench cause black screen crashes till I upped Vcore to 1.45V. rolleyes.gif

So now I'm running 1.45, right at the "safe" limit AMD recommends for overclocking.

Have you tried disabling SLI? I had trouble with RB failing until I turned off Crossfire.
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That would be great if you can test with 2666mhz ram. Are you testing on High Power setting or AMD power setting ? I also run 4 x 8gb Trident C16 ram 3200mhz but my mb doesn't post more than 2666 mhz.

Added 3.9GHz various RAM clocks on W10C, in OP of my thread, will do a W7 run at same clocks tomorrow wink.gif . Even though W10 has grown on me W7 just feel like "home" biggrin.gif , so like to compare wink.gif .

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So I'm wondering what cpu voltage are most of you people looking at SVI2 TFN or VDDCR CPU? I got 3.8 running at 1.30v VDDCR but SVI2 shows 1.25v
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+1

And what of them is the voltage that AMD claims to not excide 1.45 mV

Use MAX CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) IMO. What AMD state the believe is on what CPU would see at socket. There is a section in OP of thread in my sig, section C6H ProbeIt VCORE point vs measuring at socket, @ProTekkFZS shared some great data cheers.gif .
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Cultural issues seem to be a MAJOR challenge still to this day with the chinese companies. I left Lamptron for just that reason. When myself and Andy were brought on board back in 08-09 they had little concept of the north american and european markets. They couldn't understand the disgust with the "made in china" label, nor could they also understand our strict safety standards. We would get products that were major fire hazards on initial concept and had to explain why it would be a bad idea to sell this to a consumer. Disregards for safety is something that seems to plague chinese manufacturers. Had an air compressor explode on me one time due to manufacturing defects in the metal from being cheaply made. Frankly I am still surprised they are in business this long.

 

The written character in Chinese for the country China and the character for center or central is the same character. That may help explain part of what is happening.

 

I am not wanting to turn this into an "anti" China or Taiwan or anything else anything post. Different countries end up with different cultural values and expectations based on their historical experiences. Particularly, having had a recent history and experience of the deprivations of war and then following that having to survive things like communist then cultural revolutions and the poverty that went along with that builds a different perspective on things.

 

Health, safety and the value of life are only very modern concepts that have not permeated everywhere in society yet. You don't really need that as a country when you have a billion people, you can afford to lose a few along the way and it is just Karma. If you are staff, you should be beholden completely to them because they are giving you money. They probably make enough money selling to the china domestic market to keep the doors open. Exports are cream on top.    

 

Western people have a completely different set of values and expectations and have been known to come over to this part of the world and blunder around trying to apply what they understand to be "normal", causing just as many head scratching moments as well.

 

Having said all of that, It doesn't really help MSI customers who, while having some patience and understanding of DOA gear and bugs, have the expectation that the hardware they spend hard earned money on actually works as advertised. The support guys would be much better served by understanding that themselves and managing expectations rather than getting pissed of at the customers.

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The written character in Chinese for the country China and the character for center or central is the same character. That may help explain part of what is happening.

I am not wanting to turn this into an "anti" China or Taiwan or anything else anything post. Different countries end up with different cultural values and expectations based on their historical experiences. Particularly, having had a recent history and experience of the deprivations of war and then following that having to survive things like communist then cultural revolutions and the poverty that went along with that builds a different perspective on things.

Health, safety and the value of life are only very modern concepts that have not permeated everywhere in society yet. You don't really need that as a country when you have a billion people, you can afford to lose a few along the way and it is just Karma. If you are staff, you should be beholden completely to them because they are giving you money. They probably make enough money selling to the china domestic market to keep the doors open. Exports are cream on top.    

Western people have a completely different set of values and expectations and have been known to come over to this part of the world and blunder around trying to apply what they understand to be "normal", causing just as many head scratching moments as well.

Having said all of that, It doesn't really help MSI customers who, while having some patience and understanding of DOA gear and bugs, have the expectation that the hardware they spend hard earned money on actually works as advertised. The support guys would be much better served by understanding that themselves and managing expectations rather than getting pissed of at the customers.

Oh I totally agree with you, and the cultural differences between china and western civilizations was something that was very difficult to blend. The concept of RMA's and safety was seemingly entirely new to them upon them taking an initial foothold in the north american market. Coupled with the fact that westerners (american and european alike) have an expectation of safety and quality guarantee they were befuddled when a customer wanted their money back when a product was broken or understanding of the safety standards imposed with selling a product in the states. Even here in the USA I think we are only about 75 years or so into most modern safety standards, with some dangerous practices dating as late as the 60s and 70s with lead. It has always troubled me however that the concept of customer service was so foreign to some of these businesses from that sector of the world, because not only is it just an expectation here in western civ, but I believe for the most part, we tend to pride ourselves on producing a quality product and having it be safe and good in the same respect, I always found it to be a point of stress at that job of how much that had to be emphasized.

That being said, seeing what MSI and others like asrock have become since the early 2000s, I would say they are a much better company than what they were, and as I have said before in this thread my disappointment with this whole situation is directed at AMD, as some of those MSI moderators have spoken out on very blatantly. While I have no doubt that AMD values the enthusiast market and producing a phenomenal product, rushing to release with a buggy product or microcode if you will, and causing chaos for everyone, including the consumers, does not reflect the quality of the brand. Something a CEO like Lisa Su should be wholly focused on.
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I don't know about MSI but with my ASUS stuff I just go online get and RMA # and send it in. When I can't get things to work I know there's a problem. Always comes back as a replacement.
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I've always been happy with MSI's frequency of BIOS updates, and I have never had any major issues with their boards, unlike alot of the gigabyte boards I have used previously. lol
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I can try soldering the pins individually. Is there a specific pattern they need to be soldered to? Or will it generally work if you have enough flux between the metals.

There also seems to be more pins on the 1700x, can I solder multiple pins into one part of the pcb?

Really, are you serious? Would be quite the feat.
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still disappointed, gaming perf is subpar compared to my 2600k.
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still disappointed, gaming perf is subpar compared to my 2600k.
In what bizzarre universe does that happen?
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