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What have you tried to do to get it to 3200?
Loosened timings. Raised voltage, increased soc? Mix and match tried 1 stick?

I tried 1.4v on the ram, 1.2 soc, 1 stick at a time, tried all 4 sticks no luck. I tried running all 4 sticks i was able to go up to 2666 cas 14

I also tried a1 b1, a2 b2.

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4 Sticks won't clock as 2 currently. I wasn't sure if you were inferring that you only have 2 slotted though. If you only have 2 in that is strange, but still pretty good speeds.

I only did 2 sticks at a time. I'm not sure if it's ram (because it's quad channel?), or cpu (1700?), or mobo?
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Question. I have a G.skill trident z quad channel kit that I bought but they're 8gb sticks samsung b-die 3200mhz cl14 (F4-3200C14Q-32GTZSW). I'm currently using 2 stick of 8gb, should be similar to 16gb dual channel trident-z kits, but couldn't not hit 3200mhz. I can do 2933, but won't post on 3200mhz. Could it be ram? but they should be same as dual channel kit, it's just that I have four instead of 2.

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IMO not RAM issue.

I had 2x R7 1700. 1st with ease 2933MHz, 2nd 3200MHz. 1st default SOC: ~0.838V 2nd default SOC: ~0.893V. Setting manually then remeasuring with DMM, UEFI setting of 0.825V on 1st and 0.875V on 2nd matched default. 1st needed 0.900V for 2933MHz, 2nd needed 0.975V for 3200MHz. RAM voltage 1.35V in all cases.

IMO it is somewhat down to "variability" between CPUs, as rest of the HW was exact same. UEFI improvements will aid situation but I reckon some setups may still have an issue attaining xxxxMHz.

RAM clock results in Data Fabric clock change. Perhaps in newer UEFI/AGESA some tweaking will be done to this to aid higher RAM.

There are some with 64GB RAM@3200MHz, using 4 sticks, Reikoji post, http://valid.x86.fr/2nmnh3.
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post #9963 of 11717
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I tried 1.4v on the ram, 1.2 soc, 1 stick at a time, tried all 4 sticks no luck. I tried running all 4 sticks i was able to go up to 2666 cas 14

I also tried a1 b1, a2 b2.
I only did 2 sticks at a time. I'm not sure if it's ram (because it's quad channel?), or cpu (1700?), or mobo?

Quad channel doesn't matter. It is basically a marketing term. 4 Sticks is 4 sticks. You aren't going to find a 4 stick bundle that says dual channel.

Anyways.

It isn't the CPU either. Like they said, make sure the voltage is set properly, and possibly loosen the timings.
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post #9964 of 11717
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I tried 1.4v on the ram, 1.2 soc, 1 stick at a time, tried all 4 sticks no luck. I tried running all 4 sticks i was able to go up to 2666 cas 14

I also tried a1 b1, a2 b2.
I only did 2 sticks at a time. I'm not sure if it's ram (because it's quad channel?), or cpu (1700?), or mobo?
Gupsterg would be right, however as a Taichi owner you have a refclock board. And the good news is some of the other dividers look "better" than the 3200 one.
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IMO not RAM issue.

I had 2x R7 1700. 1st with ease 2933MHz, 2nd 3200MHz. 1st default SOC: ~0.838V 2nd default SOC: ~0.893V. Setting manually then remeasuring with DMM, UEFI setting of 0.825V on 1st and 0.875V on 2nd matched default. 1st needed 0.900V for 2933MHz, 2nd needed 0.975V for 3200MHz. RAM voltage 1.35V in all cases.

IMO it is somewhat down to "variability" between CPUs, as rest of the HW was exact same. UEFI improvements will aid situation but I reckon some setups may still have an issue attaining xxxxMHz.

RAM clock results in Data Fabric clock change. Perhaps in newer UEFI/AGESA some tweaking will be done to this to aid higher RAM.

There are some with 64GB RAM@3200MHz, using 4 sticks, Reikoji post, http://valid.x86.fr/2nmnh3.

Should i switch my cpu for another one (1700x) in hopes of getting 3200 or is not worth the hassle from 2933? Im hoping i can at least get 3200. I tried loose timings like 20 and 24. I cant do bclk either because im running nvme. Should i try an older bios?
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Quad channel doesn't matter. It is basically a marketing term. 4 Sticks is 4 sticks. You aren't going to find a 4 stick bundle that says dual channel.

Anyways.

It isn't the CPU either. Like they said, make sure the voltage is set properly, and possibly loosen the timings.

Why don't you go X99, try not to buy a quad kit 3200MHz RAM, reach 3200MHz on it then talk about it?

QUAD is FOR QUAD. Dual Channel is very easy!
Edited by mus1mus - 4/26/17 at 1:20am
post #9967 of 11717
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Why don't you go X99, try not to buy a quad kit 3200MHz RAM then talk about it?

QUAD is FOR QUAD. Dual Channel is very easy!

So are you saying it isn't possible to buy 2 dual channel kids, and go quad on X99? Is it not possible to run a quad channel kit in dual channel with 2 sticks in each channel on X370, Z270?
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Should i switch my cpu for another one (1700x) in hopes of getting 3200 or is not worth the hassle from 2933? Im hoping i can at least get 3200. I tried loose timings like 20 and 24. I cant do bclk either because im running nvme. Should i try an older bios?

slow up. lots of questions

yes, a different cpu might play nice with your ram. not guaranteed. Your cpu might be happy too with just a little work.
when you say you tried loose timings what do you mean. You are not likely to have success if you simply change the CAS alone.
assuming your kit was 14 14 14 36 one of these arguing fellows in here might suggest you try something along the lines of
16 16 16 38. Depending on what your kit is rated for. You start with the rated timings and voltage that are printed on the ram's sticker or if ya can't see em the settings that docp shows in your bios. what the cpu is trying to match and not succeeding..

They can be pulled up a couple other ways but that's generally been the easiest for me to find.
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Should i switch my cpu for another one (1700x) in hopes of getting 3200 or is not worth the hassle from 2933? Im hoping i can at least get 3200. I tried loose timings like 20 and 24. I cant do bclk either because im running nvme. Should i try an older bios?

Not IMO, a) to purchase differing CPU b) using an older bios, it may get you higher RAM, but there could be a bug the newer one has fixed.

i) I purchased my CPU from Amazon on pre-order, the price dropped after receiving it. I called CS stating would I get a refund as it's less than 30 days of buying CPU and there was pre-order guarantee on price. They said "Sorry only apply prior to dispatch if they opt to change price, do not worry order new price and return other". So zero outlay for me.

ii) Getting a differing non "X" or "X" CPU is no guarantee of what RAM or CPU clock you will gain. There was a post I did in this thread, there are links within that post where members swap CPU and they may have got higher RAM but lost some OC headroom on CPU. For me both CPUs hit same clock with ~25mV VCORE difference but one better at RAM than other. The one which does better RAM uses more VCORE even at same RAM as 1st. There are also people with a non "X" getting higher RAM vs a "X" CPU on same HW.

iii) The difference in 2933MHz vs 3200MHz is minute IMO. In the thread in my sig there is a section with CB15 benches. There also maybe some compares of 3DM FS in that OP or in thread.

For me as I game at 1440P the difference is very little. It maybe down to the games I tested, I did run the benches without VSYNC/FPS cap, etc. Normally I do cap frames and use FreeSync, so as long as min/ave FPS is good and I have smooth experience I don't care about max FPS if you get what I mean.

"Productivity apps" show more of a difference with RAM speed for me.

Do not count my experience as "bullet proof" / "complete" it is based on my uses. I would luv to do more complete analysis but time is limiting factor. Last night when I did some CB15 runs for a query a member had and for myself, even 1x run for 12 settings of setup = ~1hr.

My opinion, wait for "maturity" on platform. If getting X RAM clock is still an issue later and you want it then perhaps go for another CPU, but bare in mind above.
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I tried 1.4v on the ram, 1.2 soc, 1 stick at a time, tried all 4 sticks no luck. I tried running all 4 sticks i was able to go up to 2666 cas 14

I also tried a1 b1, a2 b2.
I only did 2 sticks at a time. I'm not sure if it's ram (because it's quad channel?), or cpu (1700?), or mobo?

Quad channel doesn't matter. It is basically a marketing term. 4 Sticks is 4 sticks. You aren't going to find a 4 stick bundle that says dual channel.

Anyways.

It isn't the CPU either. Like they said, make sure the voltage is set properly, and possibly loosen the timings.
I really hope your not serious. Esp at higher speeds ... that marking " quad channel " means same timings, sub timings, usually always the same ics. as all are gaurenteed to work together... 2 kits, even of the same stuff can be different ics or subtimings
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Why don't you go X99, try not to buy a quad kit 3200MHz RAM then talk about it?

QUAD is FOR QUAD. Dual Channel is very easy!

So are you saying it isn't possible to buy 2 dual channel kids, and go quad on X99? Is it not possible to run a quad channel kit in dual channel with 2 sticks in each channel on X370, Z270?
it is also possible to buy just 4 sticks of ram and they work. It is also possible they don't
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OCZ Agility 3 120GB  Seagate Barracuda 1TB  Segate Barracuda 3TB Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... 
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Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
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Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
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Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
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Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
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ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
AudioAudioOther
Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
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F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
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