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Not much info on them yet.

I would suspect they will launch right after Raven Ridge APUs. I expect R3s to be those APU with disabled iGPU, just like 860k was. But i could be entirely wrong.
Since the R3 line is supposed to be quad cores with no SMT, do you think that the APUs will feature SMT? Or an L3 cache like the rest of the Ryzen line up?
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Since the R3 line is supposed to be quad cores with no SMT, do you think that the APUs will feature SMT? Or an L3 cache like the rest of the Ryzen line up?
I suspect the APUs will still have L3 cache, perhaps halved to 4MB though.

The loss of L3 in previous APUs (Construction and Stars cores) wasn't as painful because it was both slow and existing alongside a relatively large L2 cache. Zen's L3 (within CCX) is lower latency, and it's L2 cache much smaller.

Despite many things being disabled in Intel's budget (core-based) Pentium line, they still leave a reasonable 3MB L3 cache for 2 cores.
I suspect that performance on 'Core' and Zen would drop substantially if the L3 were completely disabled, although I don't recall this ever being simulated.
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There's no doubt that the Zen APU's are going to be monstrous little AIO gaming chips!
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There's no doubt that the Zen APU's are going to be monstrous little AIO gaming chips!

They'd also be great in HTPCs.
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Hello guys,
I am a competitive esports player, now on BF1 getting ready for it.
I could buy a used 5820K for 220€ and a Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5P with a single non working ram slot for 70€.
Considering Ryzen 1600 is at 210€ where I live and an Asus prime X370 is 150€ (somewhat better VRMs than B350s)
what would you advise me to buy?
I've considered OCability, dead socket, Ram compatibility, L3 ryzen cache HyperFabric problems , future optimizations but I cannot make a decision.

I come from a 2600K @ 5.0Ghz (bought in years in wich everyone was saying to go for i5s) and 2133Mhz ram on Z68.

Could you help me?
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if you weight it by worth, i7-5820K would perform better than R5-1600 out of the box and when both are overclocked, if they're priced the same then theres no reason to purchase R5-1600.

it would be an entirely different matter if we're talking about R7-1700 though, that one has one major advantage over i7-5820K, and that is it's two extra cores.
as such, i recommend saving up a bit more and going for an R7-1700 straight up instead, it'll be a much more solid choice as a whole.
Edited by epic1337 - 5/3/17 at 5:07am
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1600 over 5820K all day. 5820K is already a dead socket and a faster CPU will run you a new system...you can drop a Ryzen+ right in the same AM4 board, no contest at all even for the same price up front. Intel sockets are one and done every year so unless you are buying Kaby Lake or the upcoming ones that will be relevant for the next 4 years do not bother with Intel.
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I am torn between the 1700 and 1600 , although I am waiting on Vega as I need to upgrade my GPU more than CPU. Will upgrade to Ryzen at some point this year

Not sure if I should get 8c or 6c
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1600 over 5820K all day. 5820K is already a dead socket and a faster CPU will run you a new system...

false, 6C/12T Ryzen is slower than 5820K at the same clock, let alone when 5820K is clocked at 4.4Ghz or higher.


furthermore, dead-socket or not doesn't matter now a days, you can simply swap the entire rig for a much newer one.
specially so when newer features becomes introduced, e.g. PCI-E 4.0, DDR5 or HMC.
PCI-E 4.0 in particular would allow more NVMe SSDs to populate a given motherboard.
Edited by epic1337 - 5/3/17 at 6:35am
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false, 6C/12T Ryzen is slower than 5820K at the same clock, let alone when 5820K is clocked at 4.4Ghz or higher.


furthermore, dead-socket or not doesn't matter now a days, you can simply swap the entire rig for a much newer one.
specially so when newer features becomes introduced, e.g. PCI-E 4.0 and DDR5.

Yeah.. DDR5 JEDEC spec finishes 2018-2019 and DDR5, goes mainstream 2019-2020.

Tbh I don't see the point in keeping an old motherboard with dated chipset/features when buying a new CPU.


And yes. OC'ed 5820K will beat OC'ed Ryzen 1600 in most workloads and especially games.
Edited by Lass3 - 5/3/17 at 6:39am
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