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Better to buy a processor alone than a new system but i'm not going to press on and upset anyone, lmao.


hey, we claim we wanted to see AMD to make a competitive chip but don't buy it, buy this old intel chip because intel!
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Hello guys,
I am a competitive esports player, now on BF1 getting ready for it.
I could buy a used 5820K for 220€ and a Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5P with a single non working ram slot for 70€.
Considering Ryzen 1600 is at 210€ where I live and an Asus prime X370 is 150€ (somewhat better VRMs than B350s)
what would you advise me to buy?
I've considered OCability, dead socket, Ram compatibility, L3 ryzen cache HyperFabric problems , future optimizations but I cannot make a decision.

I come from a 2600K @ 5.0Ghz (bought in years in wich everyone was saying to go for i5s) and 2133Mhz ram on Z68.

Could you help me?

Why would anyone choose a 5820k? Does it achieve higher clocks?

Broken motherboard? No
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think about people's feelings before you post, it's upsetting to recommend AMD around here.
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Better to buy a processor alone than a new system but i'm not going to press on and upset anyone, lmao.


hey, we claim we wanted to see AMD to make a competitive chip but don't buy it, buy this old intel chip because intel!

do take note that the current AM4 boards has issues, you either have to wait for that mythical bios "fix", or just swap to a newer AM4 board with more up-to-date features.

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Yeah.. DDR5 JEDEC spec finishes 2018-2019 and DDR5, goes mainstream 2019-2020.

Tbh I don't see the point in keeping an old motherboard with dated chipset/features when buying a new CPU.


And yes. OC'ed 5820K will beat OC'ed Ryzen 1600 in most workloads and especially games.

i'd give DDR5 at least 3 years after release for it to become reasonably priced, similar to DDR4 they'd start out ridiculously expensive.
though on that note, we'd be looking at 4 or 5years from today, which just sits at the perfect time to upgrade a long-term rig.

quite so, with now a days new chipsets keep popping out like they're disposable, i'm looking at you intel.

exactly, they underestimate the performance of 5820K just because it's "OLD" while Ryzen is "NEW".
Edited by epic1337 - 5/3/17 at 7:38am
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The choice between a 1600 and a 5820k isn't as straightfoward as you may think.

The 1600 is much cheaper and it uses less energy. The advantages end there.

The 5820k is a marginally faster processor clock for clock and can overclock higher. X99 can support more I/O than X370, especially when it comes to PCIE lanes and quad channel support.

Ryzen are some seriously impressive CPUs but you have to remember that its mainly beating Intel over prices. If you had a lot of money to spend, then the 5820k is the better choice. If you are like me who doesn't have a lot of money, then the 1600 is the better choice due to its value.
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The choice between a 1600 and a 5820k isn't as straightfoward as you may think.

The 1600 is much cheaper and it uses less energy. The advantages end there.

The 5820k is a marginally faster processor clock for clock and can overclock higher. X99 can support more I/O than X370, especially when it comes to PCIE lanes and quad channel support.

Ryzen are some seriously impressive CPUs but you have to remember that its mainly beating Intel over prices. If you had a lot of money to spend, then the 5820k is the better choice. If you are like me who doesn't have a lot of money, then the 1600 is the better choice due to its value.

but the choice between the two puts the 5820K at a lower price due to it being second hand, its not really a price advantage anymore but more of a "R5-1600 is replaceable with a higher-tier CPU".

normally the comparison ends up with 5820K being pitted against R7-1700 with the price being identical, so AMD becomes the favorable choice due to having more cores and it's more up-to-date platform.
Edited by epic1337 - 5/3/17 at 8:09am
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intel 8 core still >$1k... they simply don't care about us...
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The choice between a 1600 and a 5820k isn't as straightfoward as you may think.

The 1600 is much cheaper and it uses less energy. The advantages end there.

The 5820k is a marginally faster processor clock for clock and can overclock higher. X99 can support more I/O than X370, especially when it comes to PCIE lanes and quad channel support.

Ryzen are some seriously impressive CPUs but you have to remember that its mainly beating Intel over prices. If you had a lot of money to spend, then the 5820k is the better choice. If you are like me who doesn't have a lot of money, then the 1600 is the better choice due to its value.

Most 5820k chips Ive run across overclock horribly. There are some that do clock well, but it seems that most do not.
The I/O does not matter for your average user 9/10 times either.

You can save money with older setups that are used, the problem lies in replacing parts should something break. I wouldn't waste time with a board that has a dead memory slot unless its free. Its likely socket damage causing the issue. I would rather look into the 'off lease' resale market for high end workstations. You can get systems from that market for dirt cheap.
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false, 6C/12T Ryzen is slower than 5820K at the same clock, let alone when 5820K is clocked at 4.4Ghz or higher.


furthermore, dead-socket or not doesn't matter now a days, you can simply swap the entire rig for a much newer one.
specially so when newer features becomes introduced, e.g. PCI-E 4.0, DDR5 or HMC.
PCI-E 4.0 in particular would allow more NVMe SSDs to populate a given motherboard.

 

That is not true when claimed as an absolute.

 

http://www.overclockers.com/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-1600x-cpu-review/

 

Clock for clock comparisons, 1600x vs. 5820k, have it 'trading blows'. Looking at the performance, your claim is patently false. The 5820k is faster in some tasks, slower in some tasks, and effectively the same in others. We're at a point where use-case and platform longevity are the determining factors, as the CPU's are each stronger in respective areas and functionally the same in many others (including most 'common' home desktop uses).

 
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