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That is not true when claimed as an absolute.

http://www.overclockers.com/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-1600x-cpu-review/

Clock for clock comparisons, 1600x vs. 5820k, have it 'trading blows'. Looking at the performance, your claim is patently false. The 5820k is faster in some tasks, slower in some tasks, and effectively the same in others. We're at a point where use-case and platform longevity are the determining factors, as the CPU's are each stronger in respective areas and functionally the same in many others (including most 'common' home desktop uses).

your point is effectively invalid, due to BF1 preferring Intel's platform.
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Hello guys,
I am a competitive esports player, now on BF1 getting ready for it.
I could buy a used 5820K for 220€ and a Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5P with a single non working ram slot for 70€.
Considering Ryzen 1600 is at 210€ where I live and an Asus prime X370 is 150€ (somewhat better VRMs than B350s)
what would you advise me to buy?
I've considered OCability, dead socket, Ram compatibility, L3 ryzen cache HyperFabric problems , future optimizations but I cannot make a decision.

I come from a 2600K @ 5.0Ghz (bought in years in wich everyone was saying to go for i5s) and 2133Mhz ram on Z68.

Could you help me?

Edited by epic1337 - 5/3/17 at 8:18pm
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your point is effectively invalid.

 

Not really. You weren't specific in your assertion which turned it into a blanket statement by virtue of its ambiguity which I even helpfully qualified in my response.

 

If we're speaking solely in the context of the question, I'm assuming we're dealing with 1080p for competitive reasons. I play BF1 multiplayer quite a bit and have done so on a 3930k, 4790k, and 6700k, each at 4.6GHz, as well as a 1700x at 4.0GHz. At 1080p, I'd be hard-pressed to pick one out of a blind test and label it correctly. It scales very well with cores and threads, though, and the only processor that's going to push close to 240 frames for the ultra-high refresh rate monitors is a 6950x with a solid overclock at 720p.

 

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Battlefield-1-2016-Spiel-54981/Specials/Battlefield-1-They-Shall-not-Pass-Benchmarks-1223170/

 

That said, the 1700 (and the other R 7's, obviously) is marginally slower than the 6900k when at about the same clocks. I'd thus expect an R5 at similar clocks to perform at or above Haswell-level in multiplayer content. For his purposes, if he can reliably count on a 4.5GHz OC out of that 5820k and has no inkling to upgrade beyond the capabilities of Broadwell-e any time in the next few years, then the 5820k is a fine choice. However, a 1600x would provide a very similar practical experience and would provide the option of a cheaper eight-core Zen or Zen+ part should more performance become necessary. Given how well the game scales with threads in multiplayer, I personally think that's a nice option to have with a very minimal (and probably imperceptible) trade-off.

 
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Not really. You weren't specific in your assertion which turned it into a blanket statement by virtue of its ambiguity which I even helpfully qualified in my response.

my mistake on that part, i thought you were also paying attention to what he wants and was subjectively giving assertion to what would fit him best.

thats why i mentioned that an 5820K would without a doubt be the better deal between 5820K and R5-1600, especially when 5820K is practically cheaper.
furthermore i also mentioned that if it was compared to an R7-1700 instead, then the R7-1700 would have some advantages that simply makes 5820K pale in comparison.

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If we're speaking solely in the context of the question, I'm assuming we're dealing with 1080p for competitive reasons. I play BF1 multiplayer quite a bit and have done so on a 3930k, 4790k, and 6700k, each at 4.6GHz, as well as a 1700x at 4.0GHz. At 1080p, I'd be hard-pressed to pick one out of a blind test and label it correctly. It scales very well with cores and threads, though, and the only processor that's going to push close to 240 frames for the ultra-high refresh rate monitors is a 6950x with a solid overclock at 720p.

don't put intel's 4C/8T and 6C/12T on the same tier, the 5820K would perform better on BF1 MP than intel's 4C/8T processors.
especially so when you clock them the same, take note that reviewers have been comparing them at stock vs stock, which puts 5820K at nearly 1Ghz behind.
Edited by epic1337 - 5/3/17 at 9:03pm
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Most 5820k chips Ive run across overclock horribly. There are some that do clock well, but it seems that most do not.
The I/O does not matter for your average user 9/10 times either.

You can save money with older setups that are used, the problem lies in replacing parts should something break. I wouldn't waste time with a board that has a dead memory slot unless its free. Its likely socket damage causing the issue. I would rather look into the 'off lease' resale market for high end workstations. You can get systems from that market for dirt cheap.

"Most 5820k chips Ive run across overclock horribly."

Yet Ryzen overclocks worse smile.gif
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"Most 5820k chips Ive run across overclock horribly."

Yet Ryzen overclocks worse smile.gif

I wouldn't call +800mhz a horrible overclock.

Processor base boost xfr
R5 1600 3.2 3.6 3.7

But then again, if you buy the one already overclocked at a premium, yes, it has poor overclocking room..
Edited by Cherryblue - 5/4/17 at 12:33am
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4.0Ghz is actually quite hard to attain, based on what i've heard so far the common ceiling is 3.8Ghz~3.9Ghz on air, while its 3.9Ghz~4.0Ghz on water.
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"Most 5820k chips Ive run across overclock horribly."

Yet Ryzen overclocks worse smile.gif

Its about the same TBQH. 5820k and Ryzen 1700 work off the same principal, buy slow & clock as high as you can. On average they both end up about the same, except R7 has more cores.
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4.0Ghz is actually quite hard to attain, based on what i've heard so far the common ceiling is 3.8Ghz~3.9Ghz on air, while its 3.9Ghz~4.0Ghz on water.

I see many 5820's stuck around the same speeds unless they are under water, so its a pretty meh point.
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Its about the same TBQH. 5820k and Ryzen 1700 work off the same principal, buy slow & clock as high as you can. On average they both end up about the same, except R7 has more cores.
but we're comparing it against an R5-1600, AMD's cheapest 6C/12T processor.
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but we're comparing it against an R5-1600, AMD's cheapest 6C/12T processor.

Then you end up at around the same performance instead of being slightly ahead with AMD. BUT, the CPU and MB are new and of a much more known quality.

Have a problem with either part and you can RMA it for next to nothing.
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Its about the same TBQH. 5820k and Ryzen 1700 work off the same principal, buy slow & clock as high as you can. On average they both end up about the same, except R7 has more cores.
I see many 5820's stuck around the same speeds unless they are under water, so its a pretty meh point.

Not in my experience.. I hit 4.4 on a friends 5820K using a Noctua NH-D14

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_5820k/

In comparison, the Ryzen 5 1600 I tried maxed out at 3950 using a Corsair H100 V2

I've seen many people that can't even reach 4 GHz on Ryzen. I'm talking rock solid here. Not bench stable like in most reviews.
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